Audio quality

[ourclarioncall]

Not only is the playing great but the audio is outstanding

How are they getting such a good sounds? I have watched many many vids with the same amp bring miced up with one or multiple mics but this one is so good. Is it the mic or combination of mics? Is it some post production trickery ? It almost sounds like he has a compressor (light compression as you can still hear the dynamics in his playing) on but he hasn’t , he only uses one overdrive pedal occasionally

[unreg]

Sry for late reply.


He’s not using one, I don’t think at least from its appearance, but the high clarity makes me think he’s using a Mogami Platinum guitar cable.

I experienced quite a shock of extreme joyful wonderment when using a Mogami Platinum guitar cable for the first time.


Mogami has a site, but this is what they say on the package:

Mogami Platinum Cable exhibits the highest level of transparency, purity, and power.

No matter what your style, whichever instrument you play, you’re going to love this cable.

* Engineered neutral response that won’t color an instrument’s tone

* Ultra dynamic transfer characteristic for impact and power

* Superior electrical performance that maintains high frequency balance, even in extended lengths

* Available with Neutrik SILENT plugs for noise-free guitar swaps

Now, my cable doesn’t have the Neutrik SILENT plugs bc the cable is expensive for me without those plugs, so I went with the a-little-less-pricy version. But, their Platinum guitar cable is extremely grand; those are NOT empty words on the package; that’s why the video reminded me of Mogami’s cable.

Their short Gold cables are great to connect pedals to amp.

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Also, did you see how the mic was placed in front of the center of the amp? Amp mic placement is crucial for tone/clarity too. Will edit a relevant thread link in here.


EDIT: second link in this thread:
guitarnuts2.proboards.com/thread/9969/guitar-mics-placement-affecting-tone

[unreg]

Feb 9, 2023 19:49:35 GMT -5 unreg said:

experienced quite a shock of extreme joyful wonderment when using a Mogami Platinum guitar cable for the first time

… it was a grand shock at what my guitar could sound like; something like, “Is this my guitar?!”

Here’s a video that introduced me to the cable (posted here so everyone can judge for themselves):



and there’s a second more detailed much longer video, but I don’t remember where it is… maybe on sweetwater’s Mogami Gold page.

[gckelloch]

Jack is one of my absolute fav internet guitar players. I always click on his videos just to hear him play. He does get really nice highs without harshness from that Tele.

My guess is there are many factors contributing to the tone he gets there. A low Capacitance cable may be one, but I imagine the "custom" Silverface circuitry, possibly with at least one 12AT7 preamp tube, and maybe JJ 6V6S power tubes in the lower power amps. The JJ 6V6S tubes have a brighter quality than a 6V6GT-- more like a 6L6. The Celestion speakers are a big factor as well, especially the Ten Thirty model in the Princeton, but the V-Type in the DR has more 4kHz+ "Presence" than many 12" speakers. Neither have the high-end extension of an old JBL, but still pretty good. Not sure what the mic is, but it's aimed at the dust cap and most condensers have a slight high-end lift as well.

As far as the cable b4 the first preamp stage (the one that really matters with Hi-Z pickups), I don't think it's a Mogami Platinum by the look of the connector. Again, the C (Capacitance) is the value that matters most. Dynamics isn't a factor with a guitar cable unless it's so poorly shielded that the dynamic range is limited by external noise. Increased high-end extension can sound like better dynamic response mainly of the way the high-end dies out in guitar strings. You'll hear higher highs in the attack if the cable C is lower, and those highs will die out quicker than the lower freqs. There's a value called "Velocity" that can affect the high-end phase angle, but that's not likely to be noticeable at typical cable lengths, and the pickup inductance combined with the cable C will usually roll off the highs b4 it would matter anyway.

That Mogami cable is very expensive, and Mogami lists its low C guitar cable at 21.4pF/foot. For ~1/4 the price, you could get this even lower C cable and some noiseless HiCon connectors (like I have). It's 100% shielded, low microphonic, static-free, stage-worthy German-made cable, and the HiCon connectors are shorter than Neutrik, which puts less stress on jacks when pulled sideways.

store.haveinc.com/p-62046-sommer-cable-300-0091-sc-spirit-llx-low-loss-instrument-cable-per-foot.aspx

store.haveinc.com/p-62631-hicon-hi-j63m14-1-4in-ts-male-noisefree.aspx

store.haveinc.com/p-62632-hicon-hi-j63ma14-1-4-inch-ts-male-noisefree-right-angle.aspx

The cable is even cheaper here:
www.thomannmusic.com/sommer_cable_the_spirit_llx.htm

They also have HiCon connectors but don't seem to have the ones with the noiseless (circuit shorting) feature that eliminates the loud "pop" when plugged in/out of jacks that can blow speakers, or maybe tube rectifiers.

[reTrEaD]

Feb 10, 2023 2:47:11 GMT -5 unreg said:

Here’s a video that introduced me to the cable (posted here so everyone can judge for themselves):

"in the platinum compared to our standard line, you get more detail, more extension, and particular more dynamics"

Complete and utter nonsense. Just marketing hype aimed at mindless idiots.

Don't get me wrong, Mogami does make high-quality cables. Low capacitance, low microphonics, and they're rugged and durable. But claims like that are ridiculous. Would anyone care to venture a guess as to what this saleman means by claim of "more extension"? What does that sound like?

[reTrEaD]

Feb 10, 2023 15:55:57 GMT -5 gckelloch said:

Again, the C (Capacitance) is the value that matters most. Dynamics isn't a factor with a guitar cable unless it's so poorly shielded that the dynamic range is limited by external noise.

Yes, low capacitance is a key feature, especially with longer cable lengths. The Platinum line is reportedly more rugged and resistant to crushing (crushing can lead to microphonics). But that's an issue with long term reliability in abusive situations rather than baseline performance.

[JohnH]

Lots of reasons to have a good cable, but for tone, I think decent quality and don't make it too long works fine. If you can work with a reasonable 10' cable, its already got a 2x advantage in low capacitance and low noise compared to a much more exotic 20' cable. Of course if for stage reasons you need a long cable, then that's all different, but you can still go 10' to the pedal board, then provided there's a buffer there, go as long as you like from there back to the amp.

On the video, yes its a very nice recording, and does a great job of clearly conveying the amps. I see the mic is central, which might often bring up a very bright tone, but we don't know what post-EQ is applied or if any room mics are in play?.

[sumgai]

All of the above is why I use an RF cable. 'Nuff said.