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Post by JohnH on Apr 29, 2006 19:54:37 GMT -5
I'm new to this site and have wondered if there is any rewiring that is posted to this site that deals with the noiseless pickups from Fender. I bought an American Deluxe Strat equiped with noiseless pickups and am interested in doing the "Strat Lovers" mod to it, but am concerned that it only applies to the single coil PU's only. Can you advise? torodurham - Welcome to GN2. In principle, I think the Strat Lovers Strat wiring would work. What I'd like to know to be sure, is what those type of pickups sound like in series (ie connected end-to-end), which is a setting not available on a normal Strat wiring. In general, it is a great and powerful sound. The Strat Lovers Strat provides this, along with single and parallel wiring options, which would be similar to normal. So - question to others - has anyone tried any kind of series wiring with these pickups? Finally, you may be interested in a wiring diagram for the SLS which I posted on the Schematics sub-page recently. guitarnuts2.proboards45.com/index.cgi?board=schem&action=display&thread=1144451491It is slightly different to the original version, but as a wiring diagram instead of a schematic, it is intended to be easy to follow. John |
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Post by Runewalker on Apr 29, 2006 22:52:47 GMT -5
I'm new to this site and have wondered if there is any rewiring that is posted to this site that deals with the noiseless pickups from Fender. I bought an American Deluxe Strat equiped with noiseless pickups and am interested in doing the "Strat Lovers" mod to it, but am concerned that it only applies to the single coil PU's only. Can you advise? torodurham - Welcome to GN2. In principle, I think the Strat Lovers Strat wiring would work. What I'd like to know to be sure, is what those type of pickups sound like in series (ie connected end-to-end), which is a setting not available on a normal Strat wiring. In general, it is a great and powerful sound. The Strat Lovers Strat provides this, along with single and parallel wiring options, which would be similar to normal. So - question to others - has anyone tried any kind of series wiring with these pickups? Finally, you may be interested in a wiring diagram for the SLS which I posted on the Schematics sub-page recently. guitarnuts2.proboards45.com/index.cgi?board=schem&action=display&thread=1144451491It is slightly different to the original version, but as a wiring diagram instead of a schematic, it is intended to be easy to follow. John Fender Noiseless were I believe, designed by Bill Lawrence, and I suspect design congruent with his own L-280, L-200, L-290 and L-298 AirGap Noisefree. Hum canceling designs rely on humbucker principals. I have one of the first of the stacked humbucker single coil form-factor Dimarzio HS-2 from the 80's and it is a 4 conductor pup, and it's standard wiring has basically two conductors commensurate with the single coil hot and ground. To John's point that you would in these cases essentially be puting a local Series pup into a stream that has the capability to be a System series config. Normally that would be a lot of Resistance in the circuit with if all three were engaged and they were in local series. For example, 3 HS-2s all in series would be a cumulative DC resistance reading of 45K (15K X 3), the hotter HS-3 would be a whopping 72K (24k X 3). The Dimarios are also touted for their cut coil sound, but that would mean more switches. I don't know about the Fender NLs or Bill Lawrence. I think John would be the first to drag out the the term ... "hmmmmm... potentially 'woolly'". |
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Post by sumgai on Apr 30, 2006 6:23:33 GMT -5
John, Yep, sure have. I got those puppies in my baby. I put the bridge and neck in series, both in and out of phase. I like the series OoP tone, that's a keeper for sure, but the series in phase is still up in the air. I prefer the parallel in phase over the series in phase, the series way just doesn't have the sparkle I expect from combining these two pups. Oddly enough, I'm not particularly fond of the parallel OoP combo, either. I suspect my final wiring choices are going to make some eyebrows raise up pretty high.  ;D sumgai |
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Post by torodurham on Apr 30, 2006 16:14:22 GMT -5
Wow you guys are way over my head with this info. I raised a question about the noiseless PU by Fender, but it's getting very technical. I hope at least you get some new info and actual in practice use that can be passed on....I'll be waiting.
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Post by sumgai on Apr 30, 2006 21:30:25 GMT -5
toro, Oh, for Pete's sake, we've let a newbie down. Bad forum members, bad! ;D Toro, lemme  you to the forums, and I apologize for the lack of attention that has been lavished upon you. We don't normally treat newbs this way, but I guess it was just your turn in the barrel.  To answer your question directly: yes, you can implement the Strat Lover mod, or any of its derivitives, on your ax with no problems. Background info:Your new Strat's pickemups are the exact same as mine (and a few others here on the forums, too). Even though they are technically humbuckers in design, they are meant to be single coil in application. If you haven't yet pried up the lid, I'll tell you that you have three wires coming out of each unit. Green - ground (good call, Fender, stay with the accepted norms); Black and White - choose one as the negative (black, anyone?) and the other as your hot leads that will go to the various switches and controls. You could reverse them, there is no law requiring that black be the negative. However, convention runs strong in my veins, and for most others here too, I suspect.  If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask. Either here in this thread, or make a new thread if you want, or plant yourself in one of the long-running Strat Lover threads, it won't make any difference to us. Don't worry, you've gone through the initiation hazing, so we'll be nice from now on.  HTH sumgai |
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Post by ChrisK on Apr 30, 2006 22:52:10 GMT -5
My padouk strat copy in the gallery uses three DiMarzio stacked hums (noiseless). I have a Heavy blues in the bridge, a VV 2.1 in the middle, and a Blues in the neck.
It has the original Mike Richardson wiring scheme (w/ a "normal" 4P5T lever). I also have phase PP pots on the neck and bridge.
I feel that the series modes, especially w/ phasing, are outstanding, and fairly different that the normal parallel modes (where phase is much less interesting and wimpy).
In doing phasing, somewhat disparate pickup types ARE important. With pickups that are identical, phasing is not that remarkable. I swapped out the DiMarzio's for a set of Lace Alumitones and was underwhelmed (in this guitar). The DiMarzio's went straight back in.
I'm going to modify my rosewood board Am Dlx SSS S-1 Strats for a Rio Dual Calibrated set (a somewhat disparate set). I'll "probably" use the Mike Richardson scheme, but I may well reuse my "ToggleCaster" design along w/ PP pots on the neck and bridge. It won't be noiseless, but it will sure make a lot of noise.
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Post by JohnH on May 1, 2006 5:08:54 GMT -5
torodurham - OK - I think it is a goer! The SLS mod should give you some great sound variations, and some esteemed members have confirmed that arrangements which are similar electirically give good results. Good luck if you go ahead with this!.
John
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