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Post by antigua on Feb 1, 2021 23:17:59 GMT -5
I don't know how I didn't know about this LCR meter sooner, the Hantek 1833C www.amazon.com/gp/product/B081B51CHY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 , currently selling for $173 For pickup measuring purposes this LCR meter has a very important feature: a wide range of test frequencies, in particular it has a low end of 100Hz, ideal for measuring inductance, and on the high end 40kHz, 50kHz, 75kHz and 100kHz, which allows for testing capacitance with a variety of frequencies that are above the resonant peak of the pickup. Other LCR meters are able to measure inductance without issue, but to date the only low cost meter with a high test frequency has been the DER DE-5000, with 100kHz test frequency. Because the pickup is non ideal as a capacitor, the capacitance measurement at 100kHz alone might be incorrect, but if the Hantek 1833C is used, and the capacitance is tested at 40kHz, 50kHz, 75kHz, and 100kHz, this variety of test frequencies makes it possible to verify the capacitance of the pickup at four different data points, more or less ensuring a reliable capacitance measurement. I tested the set of Strat pickups below, and from 40kHz to 100kHz, the capacitance varied from 106pF to 111pF, from which an average could be taken, and if there were any frequency specific outliers, they could be omitted from the average. The display is also very nice looking, bright and back lit. It also lets you select various update speeds, which at the fastest appears to be nearly ten updates per second, so if, for example, you're observing how the inductance changes as you physically alter something about the pickup, it's very easy to visualize. Unfortunately, the meter doesn't have DC resistance measurements built in, but it appears that at 100Hz, the series resistance "Rs" value is nearly the same as the DC resistance, as measured with an multimeter. Since a DMM can be had for as little as $10, it's not a big loss, but the DE-5000 does both. Unlike the DE-5000, which takes batteries or an AC adapter, the Hantek also has a built in rechargeable battery, and USB-C power input. I still like the DE-5000 for quick and dirty pickup testing, and it's a lower priced LCR meter, but I think the Hantek is the one to have if you could only have one meter, because of the expanded test frequencies making it possible to ultimately know more about the guitar pickup being tested.
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Post by ms on Feb 3, 2021 14:22:34 GMT -5
Looks like a great meter. I like the way the display is set up. I have not located a source that will ship it to Puerto Rico, but that might happen in the future.
(Watch out for the 1832C, which does not have the higher frequencies.)
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Post by antigua on Feb 4, 2021 22:56:42 GMT -5
Looks like a great meter. I like the way the display is set up. I have not located a source that will ship it to Puerto Rico, but that might happen in the future. (Watch out for the 1832C, which does not have the higher frequencies.) That's a good point. There are several Hantek meters that look almost identical, but only the 1833C is suitable. Puerto Rico, interesting. I listen to Peter Schiff's podcast, he talks up Puerto Rico all the time.
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Post by antigua on Mar 21, 2021 2:38:29 GMT -5
This post is from another forum originally, but it was an "effort post", so I want to leave a copy here also. This concerns the reliability of an LCR meter as a measuring device of pickup capacitance. Here's a demo case, I found a "Bootstrap" brand pickup they call the "Golden Ale bridge", in my parts drawer, and it demonstrates an apparently bad capacitance measurement at 100kHz: 40kHz - 139.65pF 50kHz - 135.38pF 75 kHz - 148.77pF 100kHz - 74.28pF 74pF is about half of the value measured at the other test frequencies. This bode plot up to 100kHz shows a large spike right at 100kHz for this particular pickup: Here's a plot up to 500kHz: Now I'm checking to see if the Hantek's C values agree with L and f... The 100Hz Ls measure of this pickup is 3.34H, the resonant peak appears to be 7.14Hz based on the plot above. Using this www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-XLC.htm , the C from L and f is 0.000149 uF or 149 pF, note that is very close to, and at the upper end of the three capacitance measurements that were in agreement from the Hantek. The capacitance of the Ken Willmott integrator is in the area of 10pF, so if it is supposed that the true capacitance is 139pF, that comes near median of the three measurements that were apparently accurate.
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