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Post by reTrEaD on Mar 14, 2021 9:21:28 GMT -5
Have you gotten your Covid-19 vaccination?
I got mine yesterday after weeks of getting the runaround from the state and county. Our city set up a program and it was smooth as silk. I was in and out within 5 minutes. Also, I looked away during the injection and was surprised when she said "done". I didn't even feel the needle. No post injection symptoms at all.
I was kind of hoping for the Johnson & Johnson because it's one-and-done. But they were using the Pfizer, so okay fine.
Poll above. You can change your 'vote' if your status changes.
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Post by thetragichero on Mar 14, 2021 9:32:57 GMT -5
wife got both of hers but I'm in Florida so who knows when i will be able to
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Post by ashcatlt on Mar 14, 2021 10:45:22 GMT -5
This is real close to that religion+politics line that we try not to cross around here, but...
My day job is essential personnel at a health care facility, so I was fully vaccinated last month.
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Post by frets on Mar 14, 2021 11:28:43 GMT -5
I hope here they have everyone that wants it to vaccinated by May 1. Here in the US.
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Post by newey on Mar 14, 2021 11:50:09 GMT -5
Got my first dose of the Pfizer vax on Friday, 3/12, second dose scheduled for 4/2. As a nurse, my wife got hers back in January.
Fingers crossed, knock on wood and all of that, but hopefully we've turned the corner on this thing now.
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Post by reTrEaD on Mar 14, 2021 12:01:29 GMT -5
This is real close to that religion+politics line that we try not to cross around here, but... Maybe just a little, due to the wording of the bottom poll choice. lol
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Post by gumbo on Mar 14, 2021 16:23:02 GMT -5
...Australia is still figuring how to roll it all out...and predictably, politics is entering the picture... ...sigh
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Post by JohnH on Mar 14, 2021 17:06:25 GMT -5
Yes we are waiting. There's a big cauldron of A-Z vaccine bubbling away in Melbourne. Just need to add an eye of newt and a toe of frog. I'm suggesting a hair of a dog too.
The current roll out is just based on imported vials, and 250000 that were contracted to come here were blocked from export by the EU.
But, they probably need them more. Our community cases can generally be counted on the fingers of one hand, even if it belonged to Django Reinhardt.
But for me, I really need to go to visit my old parents in the UK, and they need my help. So it's all frustrating.
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Post by b4nj0 on Mar 14, 2021 18:11:12 GMT -5
I can't see the poll on the Proboards Android joke.
I had the first shot of the Oxford juice a week ago. Best beloved retired from medical work last June so she had to wait until 3-4 weeks ago for her first Pfizer jab. Of course our UK authorities know better than big pharma companies, so we have to wait twelve weeks before we can get another round in.
Ah- the jolly old EUssr playing at blocking tricks again eh? Who would have put money on that horse?
e&oe ...
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Post by reTrEaD on Mar 15, 2021 10:43:25 GMT -5
Yes we are waiting. There's a big cauldron of A-Z vaccine bubbling away in Melbourne. Just need to add an eye of newt and a toe of frog. I'm suggesting a hair of a dog too. The current roll out is just based on imported vials, and 250000 that were contracted to come here were blocked from export by the EU. But, they probably need them more. Our community cases can generally be counted on the fingers of one hand, even if it belonged to Django Reinhardt.But for me, I really need to go to visit my old parents in the UK, and they need my help. So it's all frustrating. From what I've read, the infection rate in Australia is remarkably low. Roughly 1,100 cases per million people. Contrast that to the World average of 15,500 per million, the UK rate of 62,500 per million, and the US rate of 90,500 per million. So congrats to the Australians for keeping a lid on their situation so far. Sad to hear how this affects your family situation. Here's hoping you get your jab(s) soon.
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Post by thetragichero on Mar 19, 2021 12:31:23 GMT -5
whoop whoop! wife's work just scheduled me for monday at 10am
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Post by frets on Mar 19, 2021 14:26:20 GMT -5
Guys, I got jabbed (underlying condition) on this past Wednesday. Got the Pfizer. Did have a fever yesterday but today I’m fine. It’s a piece of cake!! 🧁🧁🧁
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Post by b4nj0 on Mar 19, 2021 16:48:55 GMT -5
I was laid a bit low with AZ for 24 hours starting at midnight on the day of vaccination. Best beloved had Pfizer and didn't even blink. I guess that's womens folk for ya!
e&oe ...
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Post by unreg on Apr 30, 2021 16:37:12 GMT -5
Hmmm… now, the shot is everywhere in Texas… got Pfizer at a close Kroger today. It was quick and painless.
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Post by reTrEaD on Apr 30, 2021 17:11:03 GMT -5
In the News ...Pfizer Developing Pill to Treat COVID-19 SymptomsIn contrast to the current vaccines, this pill would not be a preventative measure but rather a treatment for those infected. One more weapon in our arsenal. Additionally an oral Vaccine was mentioned in the article: A coronavirus vaccine that could be taken as a pill may enter clinical trials in the second quarter of 2021. The oral vaccine is being developed by Oravax Medical, a new joint venture of the Israeli-American company Oramed and the Indian company Premas Biotech. So far, all coronavirus vaccines are injectable. Thoughts/opinions?
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Post by thetragichero on Apr 30, 2021 20:08:10 GMT -5
today ends the two week waiting period after my second shot so now i need to figure out a new excuse for not going out and doing stuff
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Post by b4nj0 on May 1, 2021 0:43:49 GMT -5
@tradge; Of course being vaccinated won't prevent you from being a vehicle for the virus, but at least if you do become infected there's a enormously reduced chance of passing directly as a result of such an infection. So mingle with circumspection and stay safe for now?
e&oe ...
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Post by newey on May 1, 2021 8:12:35 GMT -5
Although we continue to learn more about this virus every day, some things are becoming clear. With the number of different strains now emerging, this is looking like it'll end up like the flu, with a revised vaccine shot (or, hopefully, a pill) needed every so often. So, the more weapons in our collective arsenal, the better.
I'm down in Florida for a few days of vacay, and the anti-vax weirdness is on full display down here. One private school is threatening to fire any teachers who are vaccinated, because the school's principal has some bizarre theory that vaccinated teachers will somehow cause adverse health consequences in students exposed to the teachers. SO, the Florida legislature is debating a bill that would prohibit employers, government, etc. from discriminating against non-vaccinated people, and one senator offers an amendment that would similarly protect those who are vaccinated from being fired, citing to the example of this school. The amendment is defeated, but the bill passes, and is on its way to the Governor who will reportedly sign it. So, in Florida it will now be illegal to fire someone who refuses to get vaccinated, but legal to fire someone who does get vaccinated.
The crazies are now clearly in charge of the asylum . . .
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Post by b4nj0 on May 1, 2021 11:12:19 GMT -5
"I tell you boy- righteousness and humidity is a deadly cocktail."
(I'm not going to pretend to claim those words as my own, but they were immediately etched into my memory!)
e&oe ...
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Post by thetragichero on May 1, 2021 12:15:36 GMT -5
The crazies are now clearly in charge of the asylum . . . i've lived in florida for almost 12 years and that pretty much sums it up.
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Post by frets on May 1, 2021 13:45:44 GMT -5
Guys,
I got my second shot two weeks ago and although I know I feel like I have to be careful, it’s a tremendous relief to know that you’re wearing some degree of armor.
I agree with Newey that annual Covid shots will become the norm. I don’t understand the hesitancy from the anti-vaxers . If someone could explain it, I would like to hear a reasonable explanation for not getting vaccinated.
I think the future of an oral medication would be a huge development, anything that mitigates or reduces the severity of the virus should be of paramount importance to us as a community. We must care for ourselves and be concerned for others. That’s just basic civility.
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Post by b4nj0 on May 1, 2021 19:16:46 GMT -5
Takes breath ...
Disclosure; I'm 100% in favour of vaccination for this, other future pandemics and to eradicate diseases generally. I can conceive of no other area where anyone would place the sensible money- no exceptions. That said, newly developed drugs normally take years of trials prior to release, which I think is in part based on a realisation that we must never again create something like the Thalidomide situation.
Even safe in the confidence that big pharma would always satisfy themselves without financial constraint that a drug is (always only ever on a risk based approach) safe for general distribution, I do have to wonder at the capacity of the various regulating authorities apparently to short circuit the recognised drawn out approvals process during this pandemic. This in turn leads me speculate upon whom or what with the appropriate authority might have convinced them that it is a good move to speed things up, perhaps with some Churchillian collateral damage limitation exercise? I seem to recall that at least one of the companies agreed to shimmy things along provided they were granted immunity from down the line litigation. This rush appeared to take place at all the developing companies right across the Globe in no short order. Was that a first pass the post race, altruistic move, or plain old pragmatic expediency?
The trouble with such an open invitation to explain the perhaps heretical knee-jerk anti-vaxers reasoning, is it might just solicit a response from the families of the aforementioned users of the Distillers drug. Some folks are just inherrent flat-earthers and conspiracy theorists. There's little anyone can do to alter that situation.
Take for example all the yummy mummies opting out of the MMR vaccination; they put their offspring first, but without any recognition of the common good. 'I'm alright Jack and s0d you."
Then we cannot rule out the effect of social media and its influence upon them and other swathes of demographic. All we can do is cross our fingers and play our individual parts to the best of our abilities.
It's my perhaps vexatious contention that anti-vaxers should be denied employment, access to public spaces and so on. It's amazing how an insurance company can force customers into accepting the fraud databases with the tactic that you have to have insurance to drive a vehicle so there's no opt-out. With a similar will of creative commitment and nudge politics, it should be easy to enforce vaccination as at the least a qualification for employment. Ironically, there is a bottom line to which anti-vaxers are not immune- cash. It's not about civil liberties- it's all about the common good.
e&oe ...
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Post by reTrEaD on May 1, 2021 21:57:36 GMT -5
One private school is threatening to fire any teachers who are vaccinated, because the school's principal has some bizarre theory that vaccinated teachers will somehow cause adverse health consequences in students exposed to the teachers. The American educational system. I weep for our future.
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Post by roadtonever on May 1, 2021 23:03:39 GMT -5
Takes breath ... Disclosure; I'm 100% in favour of vaccination for this, other future pandemics and to eradicate diseases generally. I can conceive of no other area where anyone would place the sensible money- no exceptions. That said, newly developed drugs normally take years of trials prior to release, which I think is in part based on a realisation that we must never again create something like the Thalidomide situation. Even safe in the confidence that big pharma would always satisfy themselves without financial constraint that a drug is (always only ever on a risk based approach) safe for general distribution, I do have to wonder at the capacity of the various regulating authorities apparently to short circuit the recognised drawn out approvals process during this pandemic. This in turn leads me speculate upon whom or what with the appropriate authority might have convinced them that it is a good move to speed things up, perhaps with some Churchillian collateral damage limitation exercise? I seem to recall that at least one of the companies agreed to shimmy things along provided they were granted immunity from down the line litigation. This rush appeared to take place at all the developing companies right across the Globe in no short order. Was that a first pass the post race, altruistic move, or plain old pragmatic expediency? The trouble with such an open invitation to explain the perhaps heretical knee-jerk anti-vaxers reasoning, is it might just solicit a response from the families of the aforementioned users of the Distillers drug. Some folks are just inherrent flat-earthers and conspiracy theorists. There's little anyone can do to alter that situation. Take for example all the yummy mummies opting out of the MMR vaccination; they put their offspring first, but without any recognition of the common good. 'I'm alright Jack and s0d you." Then we cannot rule out the effect of social media and its influence upon them and other swathes of demographic. All we can do is cross our fingers and play our individual parts to the best of our abilities. It's my perhaps vexatious contention that anti-vaxers should be denied employment, access to public spaces and so on. It's amazing how an insurance company can force customers into accepting the fraud databases with the tactic that you have to have insurance to drive a vehicle so there's no opt-out. With a similar will of creative commitment and nudge politics, it should be easy to enforce vaccination as at the least a qualification for employment. Ironically, there is a bottom line to which anti-vaxers are not immune- cash. It's not about civil liberties- it's all about the common good. e&oe ...Part of what drives anti-vax sentiment has to do with established practices, until recently, where the process of developing a drug is the subject of intense regulation in every case. It leads to a more drawn out process, this can be a bad thing or good thing. But evidently now for the first time the ruling class decided it was a bad thing. BTW If you didn't catch the implication, politicians decide the rules of medicine, as crazy as that sound it's the reality. Anyway, when the need to make a sudden reverse course came about we have created the perfect recipe for giving conspiratory minds all kinds of red flags to react to.
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Post by newey on May 2, 2021 6:54:32 GMT -5
I think concerns about rushing the vaccines into production as being the reason the anti-vaxxers are balking gives these folks a bit too much credit.
Their reasoning isn't "vaccines are generally good but this one hasn't been sufficiently tested". Their reasoning is more along the lines of "I didn't hear about this from the pulpit on Sunday, therefore it is the work of the devil", or alternatively, "The Gov'mint wants me to get it, everything the Guv'mint does is bad, therefore I won't comply".
IOW, it isn't a logical opposition, it's just knee-jerk anti-science.
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Post by roadtonever on May 2, 2021 11:32:52 GMT -5
I think concerns about rushing the vaccines into production as being the reason the anti-vaxxers are balking gives these folks a bit too much credit. Their reasoning isn't "vaccines are generally good but this one hasn't been sufficiently tested". Their reasoning is more along the lines of "I didn't hear about this from the pulpit on Sunday, therefore it is the work of the devil", or alternatively, "The Gov'mint wants me to get it, everything the Guv'mint does is bad, therefore I won't comply". IOW, it isn't a logical opposition, it's just knee-jerk anti-science. I think it's naive to think that the all of the population will be: 1. equally educated, and 2. equally trusting of the government I'll ridicule anti-vaxers day and night but I'm not gonna act like governing bodies don't reap what they sow.
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Post by roadtonever on May 2, 2021 12:20:14 GMT -5
BTW I've engaged with acquaintances and relatives that were skeptical to the vaccine, and I've heard back from some of them recently after they took the shot, which is a relief. I've read up as much as I can to be prepared to counter arguments about the "novel" MoA, and clear up misconceptions about statistics, the process of drug development and incentives at the government and industry level to name a few.
I only had to cut ties with a CV denier, out of personal safety concerns. I see no reason to wish anti-vaxer would disappear from the face on the earth. Most of them state their objections clearly and they're easy to debunk. As the saying goes, sunlight is the best disinfectant. I'm not talking about charismatic leaders of the anti-vax movements. Or followers of certain religious sects, which I've sadly heard there are a number of in Florida, those are legitimately dangerous.
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Post by reTrEaD on May 3, 2021 10:35:15 GMT -5
I don’t understand the hesitancy from the anti-vaxers . If someone could explain it, I would like to hear a reasonable explanation for not getting vaccinated. The antivax movement got its start based on some very ugly history of vaccinations in the US. Granted, it's taken on a life of its own with wild speculation and bad science (or lack of science). Their reasoning is more along the lines of "I didn't hear about this from the pulpit on Sunday, therefore it is the work of the devil", or alternatively, "The Gov'mint wants me to get it, everything the Guv'mint does is bad, therefore I won't comply". Personally I find it easy, but lazy and inaccurate to paint with such a broad brush. I know of several antivaxers who sit on the far left side of the aisle. Some antivaxers are atheists, and are definitely not redneck hicks. In 1955, there were numerous (over 250) cases where the polio vaccine actually caused the illness it was intended to prevent. There were other serious incidents related to various vaccines over the years. www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.htmlThere have been severe allergic reactions (including death) associated with the 'inert' components of some vaccine serums. While rare, these have occurred. Personally, I feel the risks associated with any vaccine are usually (overwhelmingly) outweighed by the benefits. But I won't fault antivaxers for their concerns, even if they are based more on fear than fact.
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Post by ashcatlt on May 3, 2021 11:00:06 GMT -5
Ahem. This is real close to that religion+politics line that we try not to cross around here, but... But roadtonever said “sunlight is the best disinfectant”, and you may recall how the former Dufus in Chief suggested this as a possible cure.
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Post by roadtonever on May 3, 2021 11:18:04 GMT -5
I'm saying that if you are debating an anti-vaxer on the basis of "the government and medical companies can be trusted", you're gonna loose that argument, as reTrEaD 's link shows. Further you'll probably help the anti-vaxer hold their convictions. There's more effective ways to argue how the benefits greatly, massively outweigh the risks. Including the negation of the governments main excuse for continued lockdowns.
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