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Post by unreg on Apr 15, 2021 9:26:45 GMT -5
I cant believe I’m so gullible!! me too |
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Post by newey on Apr 15, 2021 9:39:11 GMT -5
Like any other good "gotcha", it has to be semi-plausible or no one bites at it. When it started, I was thinking "well, people use LEDs for distortion boxes, so light bulbs filaments ...". But when different bulbs started giving not just distortion but reverb, etc, I said "wait a minute . . "  |
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Post by reTrEaD on Apr 15, 2021 10:27:41 GMT -5
frets... the Bulb seems to be a 5 year old “April Fools joke”. 😔 But, it would be exactly brilliant. 🙂 Nah, the video upload date is Pure coincidence. 😀 |
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Post by unreg on Apr 15, 2021 10:39:05 GMT -5
Hehe, yesterday I found a thread where many people talked about a “the Bulb” April Fools joke on April 1, 2016. Plus, I could never find its price bc duckduckgo search results failed to list 1 store that sold/sells the Bulb.
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Post by ashcatlt on Apr 15, 2021 10:39:53 GMT -5
I don’t really do this kind of hyperbole. There are too many different pedals that do too many different things to even start to narrow it down to a favorite. Even to pick one from each general category is kind of impossible. But also I just find it difficult to be particularly precious about these things. If it works it works.
That said, the pedal I’ve used the most over the last...oh quite a while...is the Boss HyperFuzz. My original got a little temperamental after being dragged around all over hell and back, so for a few years now the one I’m actually using is a Behringer clone. It is sonically identical and a lot cheaper so I won’t feel too bad if it breaks or disappears. I would kinda be screwed without it though. The two fuzz modes are actually transistor based “vintage” fuzz circuits that really are pretty usable if you’re into that kind of thing, but I honestly almost never use them. I use this pedal first and foremost as a buffer. I spend most of my time plugged into some low-Z input or other (usually going into a computer for recording and amp sims and stuff), and plugging into this thing first means I really don’t have to worry about what’s on the other end. In fact, I found that I can hear the difference between the full 1M impedance if this pedal versus the 700K “guitar” input on my interface, and I miss that little bit of extra top end, so even when I can plug into that instrument input, I still put this thing before it. But then too I do use the boost mode. It can be a perfectly transparent louder button, but since usually the whole point is to hit an amp harder so it distorts more, I usually turn down both the bass and treble knobs a tiny touch just to tighten up the bass a bit and try to head off a little bit of the extra fizz that can happen.
Other than that, in live performances I’ve come to rely pretty heavily on my DigiTech GigaDelay. It can work as a looper, but I don’t know how to do that, and could never get it to sync up with a drum machine or other static tempo just by tapping. But I can get my head around infinite delay and it lets me enter delay times by tempo and beat division, and actually somehow does seem to line up pretty well with my computer’s clock so that I’ve never really heard any drift even after hours of looping along. I’ve done shows without the computer where I borrowed a second GigaDelay so I could whack in a reference beat on one of them and then use the other to loop my actual guitar stuff.
ATM I’m not super happy with the reverb pedal on my board because it doesn’t go to 100% wet, and the way I use it, it kind of needs to. I’d rather have my DigiVerb back, but with the GigaDelay, my OneSpot just hasn’t got enough current headroom to also power that circuit, and also I don’t have room for a full sized pedal in that spot anymore. Theoretically it shouldn’t be too hard to hack the pedal, except I’m sure it’s all SMD and board-amounted pots, and I’m not actually any good with a soldering iron, so...
...I guess if anybody has a suggestion for a relatively cheap miniature reverb which actually will do 100% wet, I’d be interested to take a look.
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Post by frets on Apr 15, 2021 11:02:36 GMT -5
Hi Ash,😸 The NUX Oceanic does 100% wet or dry. It’s a mini and about $60.  I have two NUX pedals (not this Oceanic) and I’ve enjoyed them. Their quality is fine in my opinion. |
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Post by ashcatlt on Apr 16, 2021 12:25:35 GMT -5
The NUX Oceanic does 100% wet or dry. It’s a mini and about $60. I do appreciate the suggestion. I got kind of excited for a minute. It is a nice sounding reverb. Unfortunately, the demo vid I found which actually shows the level control all the way up did not seem to actually be 100% wet. The dry sound was clearly audible. I'm pretty sure that knob is literally just the volume of the reverb path, while the dry path is always basically unity. That's what I have right now. Or did the dude in the video just mess up somehow? |
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Post by frets on Apr 16, 2021 13:48:31 GMT -5
Ash,
I watched two videos and I see what you mean. It just doesn’t quite get there. Sorry about that. I had seen it before, it was in expensive and it was advertised as wet wet; and, I knew the brand. Next time I’ll check a video before I post an idea.
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Post by b4nj0 on Apr 16, 2021 14:58:10 GMT -5
OK I'm setting myself up here, but I'm trying to visualise a reverb that doesn't include the dry input which initiated it. It would be like playing with a time lag on every plucked note wouldn't it? A bit like micro delayed headphones playback of your own voice making it difficult to sing? Play around with wet and dry mix, but only the multiple echos? Yikes.
e&oe ...
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Post by JohnH on Apr 16, 2021 16:43:21 GMT -5
On the topic of 100% wet reverbs, miniature and affordable, I can only offer a suggestion to meet the first part.
The Digitech reverb on my board is a SuperNatural, and it does indeed do a true 100% wet, which is quite freaky. It is also stereo if you want it, either making two channels based on one input, or separately processing two inputs. All of that can be based either on very credible normal sounding spring and plate models (but with vastly extended times if you choose them), or a bunch of ambient spacey verbs.
The downsides are, these things are out of production and quite sought after, hence not cheap, and they are full-sized pedals, a bit bigger and heavier than a Boss. Solid units though.
But Im guessing that if you have a basic digital reverb, where the mix control is an analogue bypass, it must be possible to figure out a mod to suppress that bypass for the 100% wet?
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Post by unreg on Apr 16, 2021 17:49:25 GMT -5
My Dod fx-96 Analog Echo Delay can be used 100%-wet, but I’m not sure how that would affect a reverb input signal.
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Post by ashcatlt on Apr 16, 2021 18:09:50 GMT -5
But Im guessing that if you have a basic digital reverb, where the mix control is an analogue bypass, it must be possible to figure out a mod to suppress that bypass for the 100% wet? Well, yeah, it's probably as easy as finding the mixing amplifier and lifting the dry side, but like I said, SMD, and probably a double sided board, and... b4nj0 - When that pedal is on, it's pretty specifically to obscure the attack of my notes while also adding some sustain and stuff. Basically I add reverb, then distort, in order to get something out that sounds more like a string pad or synthesizer and as little as possible like an actual guitar. But also, it is in a feedback loop, and first off with that just having that dry signal passing through causes is to break to just plain squealing rather than letting me do all the cool stuff I could do with it otherwise, and second when the feedback pedal itself is turned up, it starts to mix in the dry signal anyway, so... It just really needs to be 100% wet. |
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Post by JohnH on Apr 16, 2021 18:28:15 GMT -5
But Im guessing that if you have a basic digital reverb, where the mix control is an analogue bypass, it must be possible to figure out a mod to suppress that bypass for the 100% wet? Well, yeah, it's probably as easy as finding the mixing amplifier and lifting the dry side, but like I said, SMD, and probably a double sided board, and... I wonder what age of reverb from Boss or Digitech would be the newest, but pre-SMD for the analogue parts? |
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Post by unreg on Apr 24, 2021 15:20:45 GMT -5
My Dod fx-96 Analog Echo Delay can be used 100%-wet, but I’m not sure how that would affect a reverb input signal. Affecting a reverb input signal is a pointless question; sorry. 😔 But, if I send the fx-96 into my amp that uses Fender’s ‘63 Spring Reverb, and adjusting the fx-96 so that it doesn’t echo at all but just sends an extended 100% wet guitar signal out... you receive a really cool 100% wet ‘63 Spring Reverb. It is delayed a bit bc you can’t hear the dry attack. Don’t know if this will help you ashcatlt, but it’s worth mentioning I think.  |
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Post by thetragichero on Apr 24, 2021 19:12:52 GMT -5
When that pedal is on, it's pretty specifically to obscure the attack of my notes while also adding some sustain and stuff. Basically I add reverb, then distort, in order to get something out that sounds more like a string pad or synthesizer and as little as possible like an actual guitar. But also, it is in a feedback loop, and first off with that just having that dry signal passing through causes is to break to just plain squealing rather than letting me do all the cool stuff I could do with it otherwise, and second when the feedback pedal itself is turned up, it starts to mix in the dry signal anyway, so... It just really needs to be 100% wet. i use a volume pedal to do similar things with a verb and/or delay for ambient stuff behind the pastor at church besides modifying a through hole pedal (would have to be an older boss or dod) i wonder if a little box that does something similar to the boss slow gear (ehx attack decay? some sort of compressor/limiter set "wrong"?) would fit the bill. this interests me as if it's simple enough to build into a 1590a i could definitely find some use for it in my bass vi+drum machine solo project EDIT: this is promising and simple enough to breadboard/looks like could be small enough for 1590a. not today but i will mess with it EDIT 2: another thread pointed me to this which might also have some application for a swell in. note that this is partly being used as a digital notepad of circuits for me to try. i suppose this is a bit of a derailment |
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Post by unreg on Jul 8, 2021 18:26:24 GMT -5
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Post by unreg on Jul 9, 2021 18:28:35 GMT -5
(Why does my link above get ruined by some bizrate site? Why does bizrate try to load my link? What happened to good old normal valid hyperlinks?)
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Post by ashcatlt on Jul 9, 2021 18:47:02 GMT -5
Did I fail to post this in this thread
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Post by gumbo on Jul 10, 2021 5:57:29 GMT -5
(Why does my link above get ruined by some bizrate site? Why does bizrate try to load my link? What happened to good old normal valid hyperlinks?) ...the link worked for me... ..showed me the exact same photo that you had already posted...  |
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Post by unreg on Jul 12, 2021 15:29:32 GMT -5
(Why does my link above get ruined by some bizrate site? Why does bizrate try to load my link? What happened to good old normal valid hyperlinks?) ...the link worked for me... ..showed me the exact same photo that you had already posted... The photos on Sweetwater’s site are tons better than the photo posted here (from, I think, Guitar Center); I failed to understand how to show the Sweetwater photo. 😔 So, the link didn’t work for you? Sweetwater’s site has a lot to say about that pedal; the comments are informative too. 😊👍 For me, the link takes me to a broken Sweetwater page… says something about the pedal not being available. It, the B-stock version, IS available. EDIT: If you follow the “Or we have a B-stock model…” link you’ll see that it is available. |
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Post by unreg on Jul 12, 2021 15:52:08 GMT -5
Did I fail to post this in this thread Lol ashcatlt… that was silly; the guy held a note and so obviously they just had to turn on the light. Maybe that guy somehow turned on the light after he exited the room. And all the intro was just them moving a couple of lamps into a room and laying a few bulbs on the ground. |
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Post by gumbo on Jul 13, 2021 7:25:20 GMT -5
...the link worked for me... ..showed me the exact same photo that you had already posted... The photos on Sweetwater’s site are tons better than the photo posted here (from, I think, Guitar Center); I failed to understand how to show the Sweetwater photo. 😔 So, the link didn’t work for you? Sweetwater’s site has a lot to say about that pedal; the comments are informative too. 😊👍 For me, the link takes me to a broken Sweetwater page… says something about the pedal not being available. It, the B-stock version, IS available. EDIT: If you follow the “Or we have a B-stock model…” link you’ll see that it is available. The link worked...then and now... I was being my (usual) flippant....  |
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Post by unreg on Jul 13, 2021 10:38:25 GMT -5
The photos on Sweetwater’s site are tons better than the photo posted here (from, I think, Guitar Center); I failed to understand how to show the Sweetwater photo. 😔 So, the link didn’t work for you? Sweetwater’s site has a lot to say about that pedal; the comments are informative too. 😊👍 For me, the link takes me to a broken Sweetwater page… says something about the pedal not being available. It, the B-stock version, IS available. EDIT: If you follow the “Or we have a B-stock model…” link you’ll see that it is available. The link worked...then and now... I was being my (usual) flippant.... Ahhh, ok. After clearing all cookies from my phone, bizrate.com still opens the Sweetwater site. At the top it says: So this is just my cookie-free problem? (Sorry to venture further off topic. 😔) |
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Post by ashcatlt on Jul 13, 2021 11:02:09 GMT -5
Lol ashcatlt… that was silly; the guy held a note and so obviously they just had to turn on the light. Maybe that guy somehow turned on the light after he exited the room. And all the intro was just them moving a couple of lamps into a room and laying a few bulbs on the ground. I’m sorry, are you questioning Sylvia?!? This is not a joke like the JHS video above. She doesn’t go into a lot of detail about how it’s connected, but that lamp is definitely affecting the sound of at least one of the speakers they’re recording. The video could have been better, but I’m sure it was lighting up when he played. She does this kind of thing regularly. Has special cables with TS on one end and regular extension cord (the outlet side) on the other. There’s another video out there where she put pickles in series with the speaker wires. They end up glowing, and distort the sound pretty severely. On a slight tangent, I’m pretty sure it was Eddie Van Halen who originally used a toaster as a power soak in order to get more gain from the amp while keeping the SPLs down a bit. |
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Post by reTrEaD on Jul 13, 2021 11:49:54 GMT -5
On a slight tangent, I’m pretty sure it was Eddie Van Halen who originally used a toaster as a power soak in order to get more gain from the amp while keeping the SPLs down a bit. I hadn't heard that but it wouldn't surprise me. Eddie was often exploring paths others didn't dare to venture. For instance a variac on the AC power input to the amp.
Personally, I find the distortion from a fluorescent lamp to be rather hideous. But tastes vary, so if that's what you like, then who am I to judge? I DO like the effect of an incandescent bulb. It has a positive temperature coefficient. In other words, the resistance increases as the temperature increases. Used in series with a speaker, that can make for some compression. Or if used in series with a fixed resistor and the signal is taken from across the bulb, that will produce some expansion. |
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Post by unreg on Jul 13, 2021 22:35:12 GMT -5
I’m sorry, are you questioning Sylvia?!? Hehe, yes, I am ashcatlt. In the past the bulb idea fooled me… and so I don’t care about the bulb anymore. reTrEaD, you make more interesting talk, but the bulb STILL doesn’t work for me, at least. |
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Post by newey on Jul 14, 2021 5:04:27 GMT -5
In the past the bulb idea fooled me… Apples versus oranges, unreg. The JHS April Fool's joke was a bulb (supposedly) as an effects pedal. ashcatlt is talking about one in series between the amp and the speaker. Virtually anything that can conduct current and has a higher resistance than a speaker cable could be used to attenuate the signal to the speaker. EVH's use of a toaster (if true) is no different. A toaster is essentially just a long grid of high-resistance wire. There are any number of commercially-available speaker attenuation boxes on the market that do essentially the same thing- add resistance to the speaker wire path to lower the volume levels so one can play with high gain at apartment-friendly levels. |
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Post by gumbo on Jul 14, 2021 7:20:38 GMT -5
Sometimes you wonder how they ever sell headphones.....
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Post by b4nj0 on Jul 14, 2021 8:35:40 GMT -5
May be of interest to some ... I built an attenuator following the information on this web page (well I did it from the magazine actually.) guitar.com/guides/diy-workshop/diy-workshop-build-your-own-attenuator/My effort is visually identical to the one described in the link. It works like a trooper although I have some concerns with how it manages to dissipate the excess as heat, but I'm only using a switchable 30/15 watts amp on the lower setting. Also, it doesn't get much exercise! As I said, it works very well and is a relatively simple project with more mechanical effort than electrical. It certainly worked out a lot less expensive than buying a commercial soak. I used suitable cables between the attenuator, loudspeaker and amplifier, as in not a guitar lead. e&oe ... |
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Post by thetragichero on Jul 14, 2021 12:36:59 GMT -5
JohnH has posted a link to his epic attenuator build thread on marshall forum here before. if that's your thang you should check it out
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