If it works, it works

[ashcatlt]

[Yogi B]

I dunno, looks pretty screwed to me.

[darrenvox]

hahahaha

[newey]

A new technique would be the "elbow whammy" . . .

[ashcatlt]

For this one thing, I just needed to do a couple of dives, but I did experiment with hooking my elbow around it while strumming to get something like that MBV warble thing. It’s not particularly comfortable.

[gumbo]

...it's all in the way that you handle it...


Mind you, closing the case could be a problem...

[pyrroz]

this design is so 60s it almost looks like soviet!

[Jaga]

Deadbolt syle!

Does anyone know that band? Awesome band from CA.

[cynical1]

Stick a couple of Allen wrenches on it and you've got the next hot toy at the NAMM show...

[ashcatlt]

Sept 29, 2021 15:07:38 GMT -5 Jaga said:

Deadbolt syle!

Does anyone know that band? Awesome band from CA.

Checked them out today a little bit. Kinda cool, actually. I had a goth/country band a while back, and I while we sounded nothing like that, it gave me the same kinda vibe.

cynical1 - I. HATE. THIS. BRIDGE.

[thetragichero]

i just setup a floyd rose-equipped guitar and i have to tell you... i'll take a million jazzmaster-type vibratos over a floyd. they're (jazzmaster) not so bad to setup once you've got an idea of what's goin on

[ashcatlt]

Yeah. TBH I don’t really have trouble with it (aside from missing the wiggle stick). It’s not actually my guitar. Belongs to a friend, and he just can’t seem to play it. I had it once and set it up to stop popping strings out of the saddles and frankly it was perfectly playable. Gave it back to him and he pretty much immediately complained it was fretting out and unplayable again. When I got it back, it was in fact all messed up again. He doesn’t even know about the main adjustment screws, but somehow they had ended up totally bottomed out again. Course he did have it tuned way high, which I’m sure doesn’t help, but shouldn’t have messed up the bridge like that. I set it back up and have been playing it quite a bit without any trouble. He’s gonna have his hands on it again tonight, though, so I’m sure it’ll be all F’ed up again by morning. :/


Edit - Also I actually did go to our local Music Go Round to try to buy a bar for it, but dude was all like “Is it an American Jag, or...”, and I didn’t know, and he didn’t really seem to actually know what was going on, trying to show me bars for a Floyd and explain about different sizes, so I left empty handed. Looked around my house for anything else that would fit in the hole, and came up with this.

[thetragichero]

my mexi jazzmaster (blacktop, put a bunch of time and money into it getting it how i liked and sold it after i made a tele with a jazzmaster-shaped body) had a pop-in arm while my pawnshop bass vi (also mim) has a screw in arm. i'm not sure which i prefer... to be honest i don't use the wiggle stick all that much (have enough trouble playing with my hands to add another task, although the warble can be fun if i dedicate a track to it while recording... for playing though i try to keep it simple stupid and just make sure i'm playing the right notes)

[ashcatlt]

Yeah I don’t whammy much. My favorite guitars are hard tails.

Every Strat I’ve owned since 93 I’ve disabled the term entirely so that I could, like, tune it at all ever.

I was using the trem on my (Jag/JM-style) baritone but kind of only for noise, but then I lost the bar.

I put a Bigsby kind of thing on a 335 copy, but it just plain does not return to proper tuning. It’s a great guitar and super playable, but if I touch that bar at all, it’s not in tune anymore. I can kind of “jiggle the handle” to get it back, but if you’re actually playing things, that’s just not practical.

I’ve actually sort of appreciated the Floyds I’ve played. Yes it’s a mess to even change a single string, but once they’re set up properly (and finally tuned...) they kind of just work.

[ashcatlt]

Also, I wanted to post this the other day, but my phone went stupid:

[Yogi B]

Oct 2, 2021 15:57:59 GMT -5 ashcatlt said:

I’ve actually sort of appreciated the Floyds I’ve played. Yes it’s a mess to even change a single string, but once they’re set up properly (and finally tuned...) they kind of just work.

I'm becoming increasingly disenchanted with my two (low-profile) Floyd type bridges (One's a Jackson licenced Floyd, other's an Ibanez Edge 3) for the main reason of string changes. I accept the interactive tuning process as a necessary element to a floating design (which has been made much more tolerable since I've stopped locking the nut) and intonation adjustment is an infrequent enough requirement not to be too much of an annoyance. As such my displeasure is mainly focused upon the locking saddles — I tend not to abuse the things wildly enough to warrant them and I'd prefer the simplicity of just stringing through like most sensible bridges.

The solution I tried last time I strung up the RG was to remove the lock-block & clamping screw, and instead stringing through the remaining hole; adding a spare ball-end or two to prevent the wraps from becoming part of the speaking length. (*Motions toward the thread title*) It's largely fine, but I'd be much happier with a more robust solution.

For original style FRs, where the locking screw passes through the bridge below the finetuners, the below is one solution:

Whereas my needs would require the majority of the shaft be removed and the thread re-cut on what remained, if possible.

Another option I've seen, intentionally suited towards low profile bridges, are these string through saddles:

The issues with these firstly are the that I'm unsure of the compatibility of the FR low profile style saddles with the Edge III, they're pretty similar designs and I can check myself next time I have the strings off both guitars, but so far I just haven't remembered until after it's done. The other issue is that apparently the saddles are all identical (not radiused), so that'll take quite a bit of shimming to account for. A total of 16-20 shims (depending on which of the two listed shim thicknesses is more accurate, 0.005″ or 0.15mm) on the relatively flat 17¹/₃″ radius for the Jackson, and 24-28 shims for the 12″ radius of the Ibanez.

Anyone have any better ideas?

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My Strat (or at least, the guitar I have which is most Strat like) has never had a bar whilst in my possession (me having occasionally utilised similar methods to the screwdriver), but (as an alterative means of stick wiggling other than the aforementioned Floyds) I may finally get around to acquiring a replacement bar, though I'll likely still have it set for dive only. I figured out the screw thread by trying a few bolts of varying sizes.

[Jaga]

I'm using Staytrem wide bridge for Bass VI in my Jaguar and it's pretty cool, the best for such guitars I think. Not so expensive as Mastery for example.

[darrenvox]

i guess so...

[unreg]

Oct 2, 2021 18:46:33 GMT -5 Yogi B said:

I accept the interactive tuning process as a necessary element to a floating design (which has been made much more tolerable since I've stopped locking the nut) and intonation adjustment is an infrequent enough requirement not to be too much of an annoyance. As such my displeasure is mainly focused upon the locking saddles — I tend not to abuse the things wildly enough to warrant them and I'd prefer the simplicity of just stringing through like most sensible bridges.

My low E string’s locking saddle doesn’t unlock anymore bc during last string change, I stripped the Allen head on its screw. So, Yogi B, would the hardware in your photos allow me to successfully change my low E string/bypass the permanently locked saddle?

I’ve spent some time researching Floyd Roses… but maybe I don’t need a new Floyd Rose when this E string needs changing? Oh, my guitar was made a while ago and the company no longer sells parts for their “Floyd Rose” on this guitar.

[Jaga]

Oct 1, 2021 16:37:19 GMT -5 ashcatlt said:

Sept 29, 2021 15:07:38 GMT -5 Jaga said:

Deadbolt syle!

Does anyone know that band? Awesome band from CA.

Checked them out today a little bit. Kinda cool, actually. I had a goth/country band a while back, and I while we sounded nothing like that, it gave me the same kinda vibe.

cynical1 - I. HATE. THIS. BRIDGE.

Talking about Deadbolt will post this little video. When I was in the US, guys invited me to play on the stage little bit, it was completely improvisation.