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[psiloguitarensis]

i see what i wasnt getting.

i assumed the pushpull was 2p4t not 2p2t.

even  so if i remove the dpdt and replace with spdt i either lose parallel or series

[psiloguitarensis]

i just dont think its possible for coil splitting and series parallel without a different switch




if i wire push pot this way i will get series parallel there and ill find another use for 3way maybe doing a series parallel with neck/mid pickup for some other sound configurations.


blend pot will be lug 2,3 across lug 1,5 on selector and jumped to 1,5 opposite lugs
per jhng suggest so i can bridge neck in one postion and b+m+n another position picture is for blend pot hook reference to verify that is correct for hookup

[newey]

psi-

I don't know what this "analyzer" you are using is. You can certainly have 2 DPDT On-On switches (which can be Push/pulls) to select the 4 coils of the bridge HB in series, parallel, north coil or south coil. Angellahash's latest diagram shows how to do this, and I have a couple of guitars (well, technically, one is a bass) wired in this fashion. Works just fine.

I note that your "analyzer" apparently provides numbers for the switches, but your diagram omits any numbering of components. It is a lot easier to talk about a switch as being "SW-1" for example, than to have to refer to "the DPDT switch in the lower left-hand part of the diagram" or some such verbiage.

i just dont think its possible for coil splitting and series parallel without a different switch

Different than what? As jhng noted, we were originally talking about a DPDT On-On-On switch. This is a toggle-type switch, not a push/pull switch on a pot. To split a coil, have series, and have parallel requires a switch with 3 positions; a push/pull pot has only 2. So, no, it can't be done with a push/pull pot, but it certainly can be done with a DPDT On-On-On switch.

To recap:

One push/pull pot can give you EITHER series/parallel of your HB OR it can split the HB to one of the two coils. It cannot do both.

Two push/pull pots, using "binary tree" wiring as angellahash has drawn, can allow for selection of series HB, parallel HB, North coil alone or south coil alone. 4 positions between 2 push/pull pots can select 4 different things.

One DPDT On-On-On switch can give you Series HB, parallel HB and ONE of the 2 HB coils by itself. You could split to either the North or South coil but not to each one individually. You would want the split coil, North or South, to be opposite polarity of the middle pickup.

if i wire push pot this way i will get series parallel there

Sorry, nope. Your full diagram above(the most recent version you posted) shows a DPDT switch correctly wired for series/parallel. The small diagram of just the push/pull pot doesn't match what you did on the big diagram (and won't work). You don't even need to trace out the connections to see this is so. Note that, on the full diagram, all 6 lugs of the DPDT switch are connected to something. On your diagram of the Push/pull pot, lugs 2 and 4 aren't connected to anything.

[psiloguitarensis]

Analyzer is the built in guitar diagram analyzer in the program DIY Layout Creator.

With the analyzer no matter how I wired the dpdt I couldn't get

series split parallel

to show as working so I thought I needed the push pull to activate single coil mode.though I wouldn't mind that the push pot is a better pot so will use as a volume only either way.

All I could get to work was series split or parallel split and analyzer would say no pickups found in configuration for the last switch position.wjy I couldn't figure why the connections and switch didn't work

So as long as I wire the DPDT switch per the one post im good correct?

One post shows series north coil parallel I believe.
I guess the analyzer program can't



Btw as I think and think as to what I wanted and on all the info yaw have shared

My intentions were

Series split parallel with that on on on switch

Using blender for the bridge neck bridge neck mid feature

Use push pull to swap the neck and mid to series so I would have them series parallel as well.

I do hope that's a better understanding. I do hope we can get a blender and push pull for diy creator that be great make stuff easier

[newey]

Nov 30, 2021 12:14:20 GMT -5 psiloguitarensis said:

One post shows series north coil parallel I believe.
I guess the analyzer program can't

It probably doesn't have a DPDT On-On-On option. I imagine such a switch would be separately described (and therefore analyzed)from the regular DPDT On-On.

So as long as I wire the DPDT switch per the one post im good correct?

Not sure what "one post" you mean. I believe jhng had diagrammed the DPDT On-On-On toggle to do so.

But, rather than pull bits and pieces from the foregoing discussion, it would be best if you drew up a "final" diagram showing just what you want. We can then double-check it for you. It looks like we're almost where you want to be.

[psiloguitarensis]

ok ok this is the final drawing 

i did find jhng diagram but couldnt understand the wiring layout at all. 
this is where im at what change do i need to have 3way switch layout do 
series\NorthCoil/parallel. the blender will give me b+n and b+m+n which im excited about.



beyond that only thing that i am pondering is how can i make neck/mid pickups act as a humbucker when just neck or mid is active to get 2 more tones as well.
maybe pos 1 neck mid wired as humbucker when you pull up on p/p switch and blend in bridge for a tele type tone maybe. would this work?

i was using this cts pic for reference but couldnt see how connect both neck and mid to push pull pot and have them run as a humbucker or single coil in pos 1 and 3
basically pos 1 neck single or neck mid as a humbucker and bridge would be blendable still i believe and could be made single coil.
pos 3 would yield mid single or mid/neck as humbucker with bridge blendable still i believe which would net me 2 tele type tones along with the series parallel split coil and blender giving me b+n and b+m+n options
so would be alot of options to explore..now im fully aware that might not be possible with a push pull but found it a cool idea and wanted to explore that option and see if its possible. though i feel if i wired them together 
i would lose a pickup only option meaning ill lose neck only or mid only.

[newey]

Nov 30, 2021 14:24:11 GMT -5 psiloguitarensis said:

this is where im at what change do i need to have 3way switch layout do 
series\NorthCoil/parallel.

Back in 2006, unklmickey posted it better than I could ever do, so I took the liberty of lifting his diagram. I added the notations as to your wire colors and as to ground/output connections.

i was using this cts pic for reference but couldnt see how connect both neck and mid to push pull pot and have them run as a humbucker or single coil in pos 1 and 3
basically pos 1 neck single or neck mid as a humbucker and bridge would be blendable still i believe and could be made single coil.
pos 3 would yield mid single or mid/neck as humbucker with bridge blendable still i believe which would net me 2 tele type tones along with the series parallel split coil and blender giving me b+n and b+m+n options
so would be alot of options to explore..now im fully aware that might not be possible with a push pull but found it a cool idea and wanted to explore that option and see if its possible. though i feel if i wired them together
i would lose a pickup only option meaning ill lose neck only or mid only.

As I said earlier, not sure on this part of it, but let me take a look at it. You have 2 unused poles of the Superswitch plus a P/P pot, so maybe it can work the way you want. My concern is will it interfere with the blender or not?

[psiloguitarensis]

im going just go that route as you posted in hopes when im done everything works right lol.
also where do i wire in the .0.022uf for the humbucker? i believe i have the .047 correct for the single coils on the tone.


if not ill wear a set of strings out first lol. analyzer still shows only 2 modes with that setup series and parallel no coil split i think it cant show coil split
in the analyzer like maybe it doesnt register as an actual on/on/on just a on/on 2p2t. 

i did email the fella asking to add a dual gang pot so there is blender pots in DIY Layout and also asked for 2p2t switches to be added so cts push pull pots can be simulated. Love his program. BTW what program do yaw folk use.

see when i was pondering the push pull pot and using neck/mid as a humbucker i couldnt see how blender will be affected. would it be easier to use blender to make the humbucker out of neck mid and use push pull for b+n and b+n+M if thats even possible


also im going assume mental split coil modes for bridge only is available. btw diy has option for dpdt and dpdt center off so it should work but no bigs. yaws knowledge is enough for my faith in knowing it will work when i hook it up that way if not ok ill figure something out.

options thats given




Switch configuration: [SW1.OFF:SW2.1] Parallel/Series connectivity tree: ((150k || C3 || Volume.1-2) + (Neck.North<- || (tone.2-3 + C1))) ||  Volume.2-3 Notes:   'Neck' is the only engaged pickup   This configuration is NOT hum-cancelling   'Volume' potentiometer acts as a volume control for 'Neck'   'tone' potentiometer acts as a tone control for 'Neck'



Switch configuration: [SW1.OFF:SW2.2] Parallel/Series connectivity tree: ((150k || C3 || Volume.1-2) + (Middle.South-> || Neck.North<- || (tone.2-3 + C1))) ||  Volume.2-3 Notes:   'Middle' and 'Neck' pickups engaged, wired in parallel   This configuration is NOT hum-cancelling   Some pickup coils are wired OUT-of-phase   'Volume' potentiometer acts as a volume control for 'Middle' and 'Neck'   'tone' potentiometer acts as a tone control for 'Middle' and 'Neck'



Switch configuration: [SW1.OFF:SW2.3, SW1.ON1:SW2.3, SW1.ON2:SW2.3] Parallel/Series connectivity tree: ((150k || C3 || Volume.1-2) + (Middle.South-> || (tone.2-3 + C1))) ||  Volume.2-3 Notes:   'Middle' is the only engaged pickup   This configuration is NOT hum-cancelling   'Volume' potentiometer acts as a volume control for 'Middle'   'tone' potentiometer acts as a tone control for 'Middle'



Switch configuration: [SW1.OFF:SW2.4] Parallel/Series connectivity tree: ((150k || C3 || Volume.1-2) + ((blender.2-3 + Neck.North<-) || Middle.South-> || (tone.2-3 + C1))) ||  Volume.2-3 Notes:   'Middle' and 'Neck' pickups engaged, wired in parallel   This configuration is NOT hum-cancelling   Some pickup coils are wired OUT-of-phase   'Volume' potentiometer acts as a volume control for 'Middle' and 'Neck'   'tone' potentiometer acts as a tone control for 'Middle' and 'Neck'



Switch configuration: [SW1.OFF:SW2.5] Parallel/Series connectivity tree: ((150k || C3 || Volume.1-2) + ((blender.2-3 + Neck.North<-) || (tone.2-3 + C1))) ||  Volume.2-3 Notes:   'Neck' is the only engaged pickup   This configuration is NOT hum-cancelling   'Volume' potentiometer acts as a volume control for 'Neck'   'tone' potentiometer acts as a tone control for 'Neck'



Switch configuration: [SW1.ON1:SW2.1] Parallel/Series connectivity tree: (((150k + blender.2-3) || (C3 + blender.2-3) || (Volume.1-2 + blender.2-3)) + (Bridge.North<- || Bridge.South<-)) ||  ((150k || C3 || Volume.1-2) + (Neck.North<- || (tone.2-3 + C1))) ||  Volume.2-3 Notes:   'Bridge' pickup wired in humbucking mode with parallel coils   'Neck' and 'Bridge' pickups engaged, wired in parallel   This configuration is NOT hum-cancelling   All pickup coils are wired in-phase   'Volume' potentiometer acts as a volume control for 'Bridge'   'blender' potentiometer acts as a tone control for 'Neck'   'tone' potentiometer acts as a tone control for 'Neck' and 'Bridge'



Switch configuration: [SW1.ON1:SW2.2] Parallel/Series connectivity tree: (((150k + blender.2-3) || (C3 + blender.2-3) || (Volume.1-2 + blender.2-3)) + (Bridge.North<- || Bridge.South<-)) ||  ((150k || C3 || Volume.1-2) + (Middle.South-> || Neck.North<- || (tone.2-3 + C1))) ||  Volume.2-3 Notes:   'Bridge' pickup wired in humbucking mode with parallel coils   'Middle', 'Neck', 'Bridge' pickups engaged, wired in parallel   This configuration is NOT hum-cancelling   Some pickup coils are wired OUT-of-phase   'Volume' potentiometer acts as a volume control for 'Bridge'   'blender' potentiometer acts as a tone control for 'Middle' and 'Neck'   'tone' potentiometer acts as a tone control for 'Middle', 'Neck', 'Bridge'



Switch configuration: [SW1.ON1:SW2.4] Parallel/Series connectivity tree: ((150k || C3 || Volume.1-2) + ((blender.2-3 + Neck.North<-) || Bridge.North<- || Bridge.South<- || Middle.South-> || (tone.2-3 + C1))) ||  Volume.2-3 Notes:   'Bridge' pickup wired in humbucking mode with parallel coils   'Middle', 'Neck', 'Bridge' pickups engaged, wired in parallel   This configuration is NOT hum-cancelling   Some pickup coils are wired OUT-of-phase   'Volume' potentiometer acts as a volume control for 'Middle', 'Neck', 'Bridge'   'tone' potentiometer acts as a tone control for 'Middle', 'Neck', 'Bridge'



Switch configuration: [SW1.ON1:SW2.5] Parallel/Series connectivity tree: ((150k || C3 || Volume.1-2) + ((blender.2-3 + Neck.North<-) || Bridge.North<- || Bridge.South<- || (tone.2-3 + C1))) ||  Volume.2-3 Notes:   'Bridge' pickup wired in humbucking mode with parallel coils   'Neck' and 'Bridge' pickups engaged, wired in parallel   This configuration is NOT hum-cancelling   All pickup coils are wired in-phase   'Volume' potentiometer acts as a volume control for 'Neck' and 'Bridge'   'tone' potentiometer acts as a tone control for 'Neck' and 'Bridge'



Switch configuration: [SW1.ON2:SW2.1] Parallel/Series connectivity tree: ((150k || C3 || Volume.1-2) + ((blender.2-3 + Bridge.North<- + Bridge.South<-) || Neck.North<- || (tone.2-3 + C1))) ||  Volume.2-3 Notes:   'Bridge' pickup wired in humbucking mode with series coils   'Neck' and 'Bridge' pickups engaged, wired in parallel   This configuration is NOT hum-cancelling   All pickup coils are wired in-phase   'Volume' potentiometer acts as a volume control for 'Neck' and 'Bridge'   'tone' potentiometer acts as a tone control for 'Neck' and 'Bridge'



Switch configuration: [SW1.ON2:SW2.2] Parallel/Series connectivity tree: ((150k || C3 || Volume.1-2) + ((blender.2-3 + Bridge.North<- + Bridge.South<-) || Middle.South-> || Neck.North<- || (tone.2-3 + C1))) ||  Volume.2-3 Notes:   'Bridge' pickup wired in humbucking mode with series coils   'Middle', 'Neck', 'Bridge' pickups engaged, wired in parallel   This configuration is NOT hum-cancelling   Some pickup coils are wired OUT-of-phase   'Volume' potentiometer acts as a volume control for 'Middle', 'Neck', 'Bridge'   'tone' potentiometer acts as a tone control for 'Middle', 'Neck', 'Bridge'



Switch configuration: [SW1.ON2:SW2.4] Parallel/Series connectivity tree: ((150k || C3 || Volume.1-2) + ((blender.2-3 + Neck.North<-) || (Bridge.North<- + Bridge.South<-) || Middle.South-> || (tone.2-3 + C1))) ||  Volume.2-3 Notes:   'Bridge' pickup wired in humbucking mode with series coils   'Middle', 'Neck', 'Bridge' pickups engaged, wired in parallel   This configuration is NOT hum-cancelling   Some pickup coils are wired OUT-of-phase   'Volume' potentiometer acts as a volume control for 'Middle', 'Neck', 'Bridge'   'tone' potentiometer acts as a tone control for 'Middle', 'Neck', 'Bridge'



Switch configuration: [SW1.ON2:SW2.5] Parallel/Series connectivity tree: ((150k || C3 || Volume.1-2) + ((blender.2-3 + Neck.North<-) || (Bridge.North<- + Bridge.South<-) || (tone.2-3 + C1))) ||  Volume.2-3 Notes:   'Bridge' pickup wired in humbucking mode with series coils   'Neck' and 'Bridge' pickups engaged, wired in parallel   This configuration is NOT hum-cancelling   All pickup coils are wired in-phase   'Volume' potentiometer acts as a volume control for 'Neck' and 'Bridge'   'tone' potentiometer acts as a tone control for 'Neck' and 'Bridge'

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1:30am and I'm wide awake

I've not read all the posts to catch up.
2P2T there are two out comes
2P2T on/on/on maybe three
(Maybe look at small rotary switches)

Personally, from electronic combo.
N, N+M (phased), NxM, M, Blank
Use the 2P2T on/on/on from Bridge
NBxSB, NBxSB , Single Coil
The bring the bridge in to play with push pull or Blend (push pull be easy on the maths for now)
That would let you copy Telecaster feel with neck and bridge pickups, Stratocaster plus a Les Paul making the NxM join.

[psiloguitarensis]

are you saying its possible use push pull to get a configuration im talking about?
n/m in phase or series together as one so i could do n/m as one pickup in one pos and n/m wired in series parallel to bridge pickup as a dual dual humbucker mode in another?

i am assuming using the 2p4t for series sc parallel and using push pull to connect neck/mid as one will be issue. when i think of the 2p2t switch i just dont see how im connecting the pickups in series
to have a single pickup using the neck and mid pickup
and retaining neck only and mid only. i feel i must give up one pickup in its pos as a pickup only configuration so it be bridge i would pick. 
the bridge is so hot compared to rest. i wish i could replace them but just cant afford them right now im just trying get most usable tones in my liking and learn everything.
the idea of a hss and hh option on the same guitar is cool to me even if no one esle likes it ill still try them out.

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O=Output, G=Ground, -B=G
SW1 4P5T
A0 +N, A1 O, A2 O, A3 O, A4 NC, A5 NC
B0 -N, B1 G, B2 G, B3 C3, B4 NC, B5 NC
C0 +B, C1 NC, C2 O, C3 B3, C4 O. C5 NC
DO O, D1-D4 NC, D5 SW3(C2)

SW2 2P2T on/on/on
Working on this as my phone doesn't like this site.
(Newey talked about unklmickey post)
But instead of going to 5way switch go to SW3(C1)


SW3 2P2T on/on
1)O, C1)B, 2)NC
3)NC, C2)SW1(D5), 4) G

[psiloguitarensis]

that was so confusing lol i would have to see it laided out either the wire diagram you do and well documented or visually like i have been working on. they way you put it there i kind of get but dont understand 4p5t connection completely
i kind of get sw3 which is the push pull correct?

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I will try and show it if someone else doesn't do it.
I gotta wake up In hours time
Might not able to do it for some time as I'm working with some new guys why would snitch on me doing other things than work

[psiloguitarensis]

Oh working with snitches yuck

[jhng]

For the push/pull, you could try this:


1. Take the Neck pickup ground to one pole of the push/pull
2. When the push/pull is down simply have it connected to ground (normal mode)
3. When the push/pull is up have it connected to the spare pole on the 5 way switch
4. On the 5 way switch, connect lugs 2 and 4 to ground (so these positions remain unchanged)
5. Connect lugs 1 and 5 to Middle pickup hot. The Neck pickup will now have the Middle in series with it in these positions.

Then when you pull up the push/pull, you get Neck x Middle in series (kind of like a Neck humbucker) in position 1 (instead of ordinary Neck pickup) and 5 (again, instead of ordinary Neck pickup via the Blender).

Combined with the other stuff that you have already designed, you would have a very versatile guitar:

1. N (switching to NxM in series with the p/p)
2. N + M (parallel)
3. M
4. B + M (parallel)
5. B (with the series/split/parallel 3-way)

Plus the blender brings in B in positions 1 and 2 and N in positions 4 and 5. In position 5, the Blender brings in NxM if the p/p is up.

See if you can work that into an updated diagram.

[psiloguitarensis]

@jnhg absolutely will try and work that out. Exactly how I was picturing it. So kind of neck/mid pick combo

talking with creator of program now to learn how he using the 2p4t to simulate a 2p2t switch so i can try get it working.

currently trying to wire a dpdt like a spdt series parallel switch is that correct?

[newey]

Dec 1, 2021 10:20:20 GMT -5 psiloguitarensis said:

talking with creator of program now to learn how he using the 2p4t to simulate a 2p2t switch so i can try get it working.

Again, I don't know this program, but are you sure you didn't mean a 4PDT? The only 2P4T switch of which I am aware would be the "Baja Tele" lever switch, which is a different animal entirely.

If you meant to type "4PDT" (as I suspect), this is just 2 DPDT switches side-by-side (unless it is one of the unique Kent Armstrong 4P switches), so presumably you would just wire 2 poles of the switch aand leave the other 2 poles unwired.

currently trying to wire a dpdt like a spdt series parallel switch is that correct?

Typically, a series/parallel switch requires 2 poles, as I show above, using a DPDT. jhng's idea only requires one pole because he is using the empty pole of the Superswitch to switch the other connection. So, follow his description, you will only be using one half of the DPDT Push/pull (or toggle switch, whatever). Referencing your diagram of the CTS Push/pull pots, wire the neck pickup ground to C1, wire lug 2 to ground, wire lug 2 to the superswitch as per jhng's instructions. This should give you normal operation with the p/p down, series when pulled up (as I assume you want it).

[psiloguitarensis]

one of my issues was i think is no matter how i wire the the switches the analyzer part of diy layout wont spit out the correct selector layout. 

so im assuming the program is lacking or im just not understanding how to wire a on/on/on as a on/on switch.

i definite dont mean a baja tele switch. 

all i have its that cts push pull cts blender and a t80-t on/on/on switch.

this is the drawing current state

 




with switch layout as such 




Switch configuration: [SW1.ON1:SW2.1:SW3.ON1] Parallel/Series connectivity tree: (((150k + blender.2-3) || (C3 + blender.2-3) || (Volume.1-2 + blender.2-3)) + (Bridge.North<- || Bridge.South<-)) ||  ((150k || C3 || Volume.1-2) + (Middle.South-> || (tone.2-3 + C1))) ||  Volume.2-3 Notes:   'Bridge' pickup wired in humbucking mode with parallel coils   'Middle' and 'Bridge' pickups engaged, wired in parallel   This configuration is NOT hum-cancelling   Some pickup coils are wired OUT-of-phase   'Volume' potentiometer acts as a volume control for 'Middle'   'tone' potentiometer acts as a tone control for 'Middle' and 'Bridge'



Switch configuration: [SW1.ON1:SW2.1:SW3.ON2] Parallel/Series connectivity tree: (((150k + blender.2-3) || (C3 + blender.2-3) || (Volume.1-2 + blender.2-3)) + (Bridge.North<- || Bridge.South<-)) ||  ((150k || C3 || Volume.1-2) + (Middle.South-> || Neck.North<- || (tone.2-3 + C1))) ||  Volume.2-3 Notes:   'Bridge' pickup wired in humbucking mode with parallel coils   'Middle', 'Bridge', 'Neck' pickups engaged, wired in parallel   This configuration is NOT hum-cancelling   Some pickup coils are wired OUT-of-phase   'Volume' potentiometer acts as a volume control for 'Middle' and 'Neck'   'tone' potentiometer acts as a tone control for 'Middle', 'Bridge', 'Neck'



Switch configuration: [SW1.ON1:SW2.2:SW3.ON1, SW1.ON1:SW2.2:SW3.ON2, SW1.ON1:SW2.4:SW3.ON1, SW1.ON1:SW2.4:SW3.ON2, SW1.ON2:SW2.2:SW3.ON1, SW1.ON2:SW2.2:SW3.ON2, SW1.ON2:SW2.4:SW3.ON1, SW1.ON2:SW2.4:SW3.ON2] Parallel/Series connectivity tree: 150k ||  C3 ||  Volume.1-2 ||  Volume.2-3 Notes:   No pickups are detected in this switch configuration



Switch configuration: [SW1.ON1:SW2.3:SW3.ON1, SW1.ON1:SW2.3:SW3.ON2, SW1.ON2:SW2.3:SW3.ON1, SW1.ON2:SW2.3:SW3.ON2] Parallel/Series connectivity tree: ((150k || C3 || Volume.1-2) + (Middle.South-> || (tone.2-3 + C1))) ||  Volume.2-3 Notes:   'Middle' is the only engaged pickup   This configuration is NOT hum-cancelling   'Volume' potentiometer acts as a volume control for 'Middle'   'tone' potentiometer acts as a tone control for 'Middle'



Switch configuration: [SW1.ON1:SW2.5:SW3.ON1] Parallel/Series connectivity tree: ((150k || C3 || Volume.1-2) + (Bridge.North<- || Bridge.South<- || Middle.South-> || (tone.2-3 + C1))) ||  Volume.2-3 Notes:   'Bridge' pickup wired in humbucking mode with parallel coils   'Middle' and 'Bridge' pickups engaged, wired in parallel   This configuration is NOT hum-cancelling   Some pickup coils are wired OUT-of-phase   'Volume' potentiometer acts as a volume control for 'Middle' and 'Bridge'   'tone' potentiometer acts as a tone control for 'Middle' and 'Bridge'



Switch configuration: [SW1.ON1:SW2.5:SW3.ON2] Parallel/Series connectivity tree: ((150k || C3 || Volume.1-2) + ((blender.2-3 + Neck.North<-) || Bridge.North<- || Bridge.South<- || Middle.South-> || (tone.2-3 + C1))) ||  Volume.2-3 Notes:   'Bridge' pickup wired in humbucking mode with parallel coils   'Middle', 'Bridge', 'Neck' pickups engaged, wired in parallel   This configuration is NOT hum-cancelling   Some pickup coils are wired OUT-of-phase   'Volume' potentiometer acts as a volume control for 'Middle', 'Bridge', 'Neck'   'tone' potentiometer acts as a tone control for 'Middle', 'Bridge', 'Neck'



Switch configuration: [SW1.ON2:SW2.1:SW3.ON1] Parallel/Series connectivity tree: ((150k || C3 || Volume.1-2) + ((blender.2-3 + Bridge.North<- + Bridge.South<-) || Middle.South-> || (tone.2-3 + C1))) ||  Volume.2-3 Notes:   'Bridge' pickup wired in humbucking mode with series coils   'Middle' and 'Bridge' pickups engaged, wired in parallel   This configuration is NOT hum-cancelling   Some pickup coils are wired OUT-of-phase   'Volume' potentiometer acts as a volume control for 'Middle' and 'Bridge'   'tone' potentiometer acts as a tone control for 'Middle' and 'Bridge'



Switch configuration: [SW1.ON2:SW2.1:SW3.ON2] Parallel/Series connectivity tree: ((150k || C3 || Volume.1-2) + ((blender.2-3 + Bridge.North<- + Bridge.South<-) || Middle.South-> || Neck.North<- || (tone.2-3 + C1))) ||  Volume.2-3 Notes:   'Bridge' pickup wired in humbucking mode with series coils   'Middle', 'Bridge', 'Neck' pickups engaged, wired in parallel   This configuration is NOT hum-cancelling   Some pickup coils are wired OUT-of-phase   'Volume' potentiometer acts as a volume control for 'Middle', 'Bridge', 'Neck'   'tone' potentiometer acts as a tone control for 'Middle', 'Bridge', 'Neck'



Switch configuration: [SW1.ON2:SW2.5:SW3.ON1] Parallel/Series connectivity tree: ((150k || C3 || Volume.1-2) + ((Bridge.North<- + Bridge.South<-) || Middle.South-> || (tone.2-3 + C1))) ||  Volume.2-3 Notes:   'Bridge' pickup wired in humbucking mode with series coils   'Middle' and 'Bridge' pickups engaged, wired in parallel   This configuration is NOT hum-cancelling   Some pickup coils are wired OUT-of-phase   'Volume' potentiometer acts as a volume control for 'Middle' and 'Bridge'   'tone' potentiometer acts as a tone control for 'Middle' and 'Bridge'



Switch configuration: [SW1.ON2:SW2.5:SW3.ON2] Parallel/Series connectivity tree: ((150k || C3 || Volume.1-2) + ((blender.2-3 + Neck.North<-) || (Bridge.North<- + Bridge.South<-) || Middle.South-> || (tone.2-3 + C1))) ||  Volume.2-3 Notes:   'Bridge' pickup wired in humbucking mode with series coils   'Middle', 'Bridge', 'Neck' pickups engaged, wired in parallel   This configuration is NOT hum-cancelling   Some pickup coils are wired OUT-of-phase   'Volume' potentiometer acts as a volume control for 'Middle', 'Bridge', 'Neck'   'tone' potentiometer acts as a tone control for 'Middle', 'Bridge', 'Neck'

[jhng]

You're nearly there.

On the Superswitch, the dark red wire connecting the top left lug and the bottom left lug is wrong and needs to be taken off. The top left lug (third pole of the Superswitch) needs to be connected to the push/pull (top left lug there as well). Then the NxM push/pull will work in the way I outlined.

[psiloguitarensis]

jhng like so?

[unreg]

Dec 1, 2021 17:55:23 GMT -5 psiloguitarensis said:

jhng like so?

Dec 1, 2021 16:52:09 GMT -5 jhng said:

You're nearly there.

On the Superswitch, the dark red wire connecting the top left lug and the bottom left lug is wrong and needs to be taken off. The top left lug (third pole of the Superswitch) needs to be connected to the push/pull (top left lug there as well). Then the NxM push/pull will work in the way I outlined.

psiloguitarensis, bolded part that I think you are missing.

That dark red wire has been removed, but now your top left Superswitch lug is free of connections? 😔🤔


EDIT: Oh, sry, my mistake… you added a green wire connecting the top left lug of the push/pull to the 3rd pole from the top left lug of the Superswitch. You obviously, read and understand tons better than me.

[psiloguitarensis]

been a long road but its complete lol. i wanna think everyone and hope other folks see it get confused and helped at same time too.
i will do a tone record of all positions before i start dismantling guitar to mod. hope ill get done by weekend so i can rock out.

[newey]

Dec 1, 2021 18:59:04 GMT -5 unreg said:

That dark red wire has been removed, but now your top left Superswitch lug is free of connections? 😔🤔


EDIT: Oh, sry, my mistake… you added a green wire connecting the top left lug of the push/pull to the 3rd pole from the top left lug of the Superswitch. You obviously, read and understand tons better than me.

Don't second guess yourself, unreg. You were right the first time. psiloguitarensis: This, from jhng:

3. When the push/pull is up have it connected to the spare pole on the 5 way switch

You connected it (i.e., the green wire from the P/P) to lug #3, not to the pole (common) lug.

[psiloguitarensis]

newey so my last one is wrong too?

[psiloguitarensis]

also didnt ever see split coil mode in all the connection setups so i think it just dont register with the analyzer.

i cant wait to try the NxM and Nxm+B mode  with split coil HB and full HB in parallel oh tastey times i hope.

[jhng]

Dec 1, 2021 17:55:23 GMT -5 psiloguitarensis said:

jhng like so?

Almost. The green wire from the push/pull to the Superswitch is not quite right, as Newey has pointed out. It needs to connect to the top left lug of the Superswitch -- the little orange one.

The four orange lugs on the corners are the poles of the Superswitch. The grey lugs, in groups of five, are the throws. The green wire needs to go to the pole on the top left.

Everything else looks fine. The three-way switch should work, presuming that you have Seymour Duncan wiring colours on the humbucker. If you have different wiring colours, then you will need to check how they match up. You can refer to this helpful guide:

www.seymourduncan.com/blog/latest-updates/humbucker-wire-color-translation

[psiloguitarensis]

ok so i moved the wired and printed the schematic.

i did want to ask why ground 2,4 and why run wire to the pole?

my theory is run to pole and that covers all lugs minus the 2 grounded. which grounding those 2 removes them from the circuirt?

i wanna thank everybody again yaw been super helpful. learned alot and hungry from more. electrical always been a hard suit with multiple way switches even in houses though i get how it works lol.

[Deleted]

Sorry what is the Push Pull doing !
Ah so it should be going to the Common of that Pole to make NxM, N, --, N, NxM
nice

[jhng]

As Angellahash says, 2 and 4 go to ground so that you just get N in those positions (and M can stay parallel). 1 and 5 go to M hot, so you get NxM in those positions.

psiloguitarensis, do you want to quickly post a picture of your final diagram?

[sumgai]

Dec 2, 2021 4:22:03 GMT -5 jhng said:

The four orange lugs on the corners are the poles of the Superswitch. The grey lugs, in groups of five, are the throws. The green wire needs to go to the pole on the top left.

Just a quick note...

A pole is comprised of all of the terminals on a switch that will be connected in some manner.  Interestingly, more than one pole can be shared on a single switch, as in the user manipulates only one actuator, and one or more switch poles will have their connecting points changed.  However, the common terminal of a pole is called 'common' for hopefully obvious reasons.

Usually a pole is given a letter designation when there are more than one of them, such as Pole A.  Where you have more than one switch in a circuit, each is most often given a number instead of a letter.  Hence we might see a pair of push/pull switches named as S1 and S2, with their poles shown as S1a/S1b and S2a/S2b.  This nomenclature has been a standard for longer than I've been alive.

Please observe any of JohnH's drawings over the last 16 years, they are a shining examples of this usage.

Oh, and a switch may be called out with either S or SW, and upper or lower-case letters are also used - both ways are found all around the world.  (I tend to prefer lower-case for the pole designations.)

Side note; the first switch/component you see in a diagram may not be the first one in the circuitry.  Sometimes modifications are made (no, really? ), but later diagrams don't change the original naming assignments.  If you can't find a number in a sequence of part numbers, the chances are good that it was removed during a revision, and nothing was renumbered.  And yes, sometimes a hefty revision will cause a renumbering, but thankfully not very often.  (I remember one circuit's pot going from R8 to R402 - same job in the circuit, but for some indeterminable reason.... )

HTH




sumgai