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Post by jhng on Apr 17, 2022 17:42:42 GMT -5
Hello, all. I've been continuing my search for simplified but versatile SSS schemes using a three-way switch plus blenders instead of tone pots (which I've never used anyway). Here is the latest iteration. I've got rid of the push/pull pots. Presuming I've got it right, this should access to all the basic series and parallel combinations (plus some extra tricks) with only a three-way blade switch and two blenders. I'm slightly amazed that you can get all the series and parallel combinations (excepting hybrid combinations) with so few controls. The operation is as follows: Position 3 - Bridge pickup only (with both blenders at 0). Blend 2 at 10 adds the Middle in parallel. Blend 1 at 10, adds a 0.015uf tone cap (for a kind of fixed wah tone). When the blend pots are below 8 or thereabouts there should be little or no effect. Position 2 - Bridge pickup only (with both blenders at 0). However, here Blend 2 adds the Middle in Series and Blend 1 adds the Neck in Series (adding both gives BxMxN). Blend 2 at 10 bypasses the Bridge pickup, giving access to Middle alone and to Neck x Middle in series. Blend 1 at 10 bypasses the Neck pickup through a 0.047uf cap, giving 'broadbucker' options for Bridge and Middle (or both). Position 3 - Neck pickup only (with both blenders at 0). Blend 2 at 10 adds the Middle in parallel. Blend 1 at 10 adds the Bridge pickup in parallel. As with position 1, there should be little effect when the blend pots are below 8 or so. In position 2, my expectation is the the full series blend would already be achieved once the blenders are at 7 or 8, meaning that a series blend can be set for position 2, while leaving positions 1 and 3 unaffected. The total list of basic settings is: B B (with 0.015uf tone cap) M N B+M B+M (with 0.015uf tone cap) N+B N+M N+M+B BxM BxN BxN (broadbucker with 0.047uf bypass on N) MxN MxN (broadbucker with 0.047uf bypass on N) BxMxN BxMxN (broadbucker with 0.047uf bypass on N) So sixteen basic settings, plus a significant degree of blending flexibility in the series options, all done with a three-way switch and a couple of knobs. I would be interested in any comments. In particular, what pots would be best for this set up? From reviewing the stuff JohnH put together on series blenders, I'm thinking of using 250k audio taper pots, possibly with the track cut at about 8 so that the pots do not load the circuit.
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Post by sumgai on Apr 17, 2022 20:50:40 GMT -5
jh, If you cut the tracks of either pot, you'll lose necessary continuity for some positions/combinations. For instance, Blend 1 will lose either ground, or broadbucker capability. I'm pretty sure that goes against your intent. I also think that you're going to experience some signal strength loss where either pot is not rotated fully against the stop. Yes, there will be blending, but at what volume level. I predict the loss will be not be overly concerning, but it will be noticible. It'll depend on one's "taste", if you will. One combo you don't mention directly: what happens in Pos. 2 if Blend 1 is at 10, and Blend 2 is at mid value? It seems to me that Neck +, Mid - and Bridge - will all be going to ground via the 0.047 cap, no? That's gonna be something that most other circuits can't do! Might be downright useful, but there's no guarantee of that, is there. And lastly, nice job! I don't see this as a good stealth implementation because you've replaced the standard blade switch with that 4P3T, but as a minimalist approach with maximum versatility, along with a greatly reduced "fiddly factor", I think even JohnH would be happy with this one in his arsenal. My 2¢ worth HTH sumgai
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Post by MattB on Apr 17, 2022 21:47:43 GMT -5
Very nice work. It's impressive you managed to fit so much in and still keep all the selections in a sensible order. Position two should allow for a really wide range of sounds, and being able to keep the standard neck and bridge sounds in positions 1 and 3 makes it a lot more practical. In particular, what pots would be best for this set up? From reviewing the stuff JohnH put together on series blenders, I'm thinking of using 250k audio taper pots, possibly with the track cut at about 8 so that the pots do not load the circuit. I haven't tried any blender mods, so this isn't really an informed opinion, but it seems like a W taper pot would give you better control over the parallel blends.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2022 2:41:01 GMT -5
Been looking at this switching for (half hour but I thick the clock stopped) Every time I think I saved a pole .. naaa just used else where d1 & b1 and a1 & c1 Links that only needed at one end really but even cutting them out doesn't save any thing so pointless b2 via 47nF to GND d3, c1 & c3 to GND b3 via 15nF to Output A1 to Output So switching wise got me beat ====================== Blend 1 = Y and Blend 2 = X .. Left is A and Right is B 1) N + (B x YA) + [XA + (M x XB)] 2) [(B + XA) x (M + XB)] x [N + YB + (YA x 15nF)] 3) B + (15nF x YA) + [XA x (M + XB)] Without the Cuts which blend Pot(s) you want to cut (around the 8 section)
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Post by jhng on Apr 18, 2022 8:40:53 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback, folks!
I should clarify that when I said 'cut the track' on the pots, what I mean is that I will scrape off a little section of the conductive material part way around the track, roughly at position 8. That way there will be no continuity between the outer lugs of the pot and so no loading on the circuit from the pot as a whole. However, the wiper will still have continuity with each outer lug at the respective end of its travel. So it will be continuous with the 0 lug from 0-7 and continuous with the 10 lug from 9-10. Clear as mud?
On Sumgai's comment, at position 2 with Blend 1 at 10, you will have Bridge with Neck in series, partially bypassed by the cap, i.e. the broadbucker combo, and adding Blend 2 will progressively add the Middle in series as well. I'm looking forward to trying that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2022 9:59:37 GMT -5
I would be interested in any comments. In particular, what pots would be best for this set up? From reviewing the stuff JohnH put together on series blenders, I'm thinking of using 250k audio taper pots, possibly with the track cut at about 8 so that the pots do not load the circuit. I guess the wording "possibly with a track cut" the words thinking And possibly .. dam English not 100% sure i got this fully right now
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