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Post by asmith on May 30, 2011 13:28:49 GMT -5
I designed this for a friend of my brother's, who has a Telecaster but wanted more from it. The idea is that with no external or visual modifications, Pez can get pretty much every tone from the guitar. The S.S. is a 4P5T SuperSwitch, and S1 and S2 are push-push pots. - S1 is a phase switch for the Bridge.
- S2 is a volume-control-bypass switch, so that Pez can play some rhythmic backing on stage and then rip the volume up to maximum when he taps the volume pot.
- The difference between BxN and BxN(*) is the placement of the tone control. In position BxN(*), the tone control acts only on the Neck pickup, offering a variable control to have the Bridge's high tones in series with the Neck's lows.
Also, some of you may have seen a mod I suggested for JFrankParnell involving a tone control that cuts both highs and lows. I've added a small SPDT flick-switch, S3, that switches between a regular tone control and that tone control on an optional modification to the above scheme, but it depends on whether Pez is willing to forego stock appearance. We're wiring in the next week, and then I'll post some sound samples.
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Post by ashcatlt on May 30, 2011 14:10:53 GMT -5
That's pretty cool!
I don't think you really need that connection for the bridge bottom in the N position. Won't hurt anything, of course.
You've got the volume control "backwards". Turning it down shorts the pickups but leaves the jack open, which could be noisy. Probably better to swap the bottom lugs of S2.
Otherwise, everything appears to be in order.
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Post by asmith on May 30, 2011 15:18:43 GMT -5
I don't think you really need that connection for the bridge bottom in the N position. Won't hurt anything, of course. I know, I'm a dirty grounder. You've got the volume control "backwards". Turning it down shorts the pickups but leaves the jack open, which could be noisy. Probably better to swap the bottom lugs of S2. Whoops. I'll get that fixed. Cheers Ash. EDIT: Fixed.
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Post by newey on May 30, 2011 16:38:11 GMT -5
asmith: Just a cautionary note, for future reference. In order that the thread reads straight through in a sensible fashion, please repost a modified diagram as a new post, rather than going back to modify a previous post with the diagram. This keeps Ash's fix in context and shows the progression of work on the diagram.
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Post by sbgodofmetal on May 30, 2011 16:38:27 GMT -5
Would it be possible to do this with a DP5T or a DP6T rotary switch??? I'm planning a custom les paul using GFS mean 90's and would rather use a rotary or two to keep as close to a stock look as possible. Any recomendations for this???
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Post by newey on May 30, 2011 16:41:09 GMT -5
Nope, it requires 4 poles. You'd need a 4P5T rotary.
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Post by sbgodofmetal on May 30, 2011 16:51:49 GMT -5
This is already similar to what i've already drawn up for my build except the Oop switch on mine puts both B and N Oop, and i'm currently using a gibson style 3way toggle, and of coarse my insanity threw in a varitone rotary. Now i've got three out of 4 control knob holes in use i'd like to switch from the 3way to a rotary and i'll probably wind up using the space for the old 3way as a passive O.D. add.
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Post by sbgodofmetal on May 30, 2011 17:05:23 GMT -5
Nope, it requires 4 poles. You'd need a 4P5T rotary. Thanks newey. Just out of curiosity do they make DP3T rotaries, cause if i could find one of those i'd just keep it 1,B 2,B+N 3,N and just pull the Oop switch when l need it. lt woulb be easier for me to do any way.
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Post by sbgodofmetal on May 30, 2011 18:35:23 GMT -5
ok l did some googling and found an SP3T rotary. lt has 5 solder lugs and is OFF/ON/ON/ON(The off pos, is a nice feature too). looked at about 6 different sites and they all run about $6 a pop. Sorry i'm not able to post a pic at this time. Oh and asmith was your desision to only put the bridge Oop a personal one, or was it technical???
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Post by newey on May 30, 2011 18:56:58 GMT -5
There's only 2 pickups so one phase switch is all that's needed. Bridge OOP with neck is the only option.
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Post by ashcatlt on May 30, 2011 20:09:45 GMT -5
FWIW, most of this could be accomplished in 2 poles. See Baja Telecaster wiring. I do it all the time. Even with the Tone control switching here it could be done with 3 poles. DP5T is available as a single-deck rotary. 3 or4P5T will require two decks, which starts to get deep.
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Post by sbgodofmetal on May 30, 2011 20:49:09 GMT -5
So it only requires one pup to be Oop, what about the way i've got mine wired were both are Oop will it make a difference in how it sounds???
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Post by thetragichero on May 30, 2011 21:17:10 GMT -5
if you reverse the phase of both pickups in a two pickup guitar they're back in phase again
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Post by ashcatlt on May 31, 2011 2:35:41 GMT -5
There are people who believe they can tell whether the speaker moves toward them first or away. I think they're full of hooey! The only way to know for sure if you're one of them is to try it.
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Post by thetragichero on May 31, 2011 13:01:42 GMT -5
man i played a whole gig with my amp set for the bass recording the previous weekend and didn't notice until i went home to record guitar and the mid/treble/presence knobs weren't dimed.... if i can't tell that, i sure as heck can't tell which way the speaker's moving!
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Post by Yew on May 31, 2011 14:42:59 GMT -5
BxN(*) That is pretty close to a Broadbucker Right? (just the highs have been dumped to ground instead of in parallel)
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Post by ashcatlt on May 31, 2011 16:32:45 GMT -5
That is exactly broadbucker with the neck treble shunted and the bridge treble bypassing the neck.
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