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Post by newey on Apr 6, 2023 9:40:53 GMT -5
In this country, of late, it seems you can lie right to someones face and be believed and accepted. Masses will accept you. If we've devolved to the point that we can't, or won't, spot machinations and\or manipulative behavior when the human is standing in front of us...what chance to we have with a smart machine that knows our vulnerabilities better than we do... This isn't something "of late", this has been the case throughout history. Electronic media has certainly sped up the process and broadened the reach, but human gullibility is nothing new. For references in Literature, consider "The Emperor's New Clothes" or read Mark Twain's "The Man Who Corrupted Hadleyburg". For real-life history, consider the Third Reich, Stalinism, or several thousand years' worth of assorted charlatans, fraudsters and bunko artists.
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Post by cynical1 on Apr 6, 2023 11:17:55 GMT -5
For me, the difference comes in the arena. I can certainly see the benefits of just nodding my head in certain parts of the world throughout history...breathing is a hard habit to break... It's the proliferation of blind ignorance when there is no genuine survival mechanism at play that concerns me.
I may have trotted this one before, but hey, I'm old and this is the first sign... The question was the regarding proliferation of violence among teenagers in Chicago. His answer was that these kids are looking at a Gucci belt the same way previous generations looked at food. Trying to re-prioritize that is difficult, as they live in a world where getting their "15 minutes" is an all consuming factor.
I tried to drag BARD into a discussion on attachment in humans and how it might effect developing a true sentience in an AI...but it balked in the end declaring it was just a language model and not equipped to cross that line. If Google throttles BARD crossing that line, what happens when someone decides that line is too restrictive?
It's not the AI that concerns me, it's the humans developing it. What self interest might a person sink into one of these?
HTC1
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Post by ozboomer on Apr 8, 2023 7:29:34 GMT -5
Now, I dunno if I want to keep exploring this pseudo-AI thing.. but it's one of those intriguments... particularly when it gets into philosophy... Firstly, another outing on YouTube and elsewhere where much jokery ensues about the 'real' and 'perceived' impacts (and I do like this author's term of ChatGPT, etc being 'glorified autocorrect machines' ... I can also hear our dear sumgai saying something similar )... Video Brutally Takes Down the AI Hype WaveThen, an 'interaction' I had with the internet's favourite 'AI wanna be':- ME: Write a short analysis of the novel, "The War of the Worlds", by HG Wells. CGPT: "The War of the Worlds" by H.G. Wells is a science fiction novel that explores the consequences of a Martian invasion of Earth. First published in 1898, the novel has become a classic of the science fiction genre and has been adapted into numerous films, television shows, and other media.
One of the major themes of the novel is the idea of an alien invasion and the potential consequences for humanity. Wells explores the concept of an advanced alien civilization and the possibility of their technological superiority over humans. The novel also delves into the psychology of humans facing an extraterrestrial threat, particularly the way that fear and panic can lead to irrational behavior.
Another important theme in the novel is the idea of imperialism and colonialism. Wells uses the Martian invasion as a metaphor for European colonization and the impact it had on the people and cultures of colonized lands. This is evident in the way the Martians treat humans, as they enslave and exploit them for their own purposes.
The novel also deals with themes of survival and resilience. The main character, an unnamed narrator, must find a way to survive in the face of the Martian invasion and adapt to the new reality of a world in chaos. Through the narrator's experiences, Wells emphasizes the importance of human ingenuity and the ability to adapt to difficult circumstances.
Overall, "The War of the Worlds" is a thought-provoking and influential work of science fiction that explores a range of themes that are still relevant today. Its examination of an alien invasion and the consequences for humanity, as well as its commentary on imperialism and the human spirit, have cemented its place as a classic of the genre.ME: Now consider: Replace "the invasion of Earth by Martians" with "the advancement of Artificial Intelligence leading to the increasing irrelevance of humanity" and how humanity may react to that threat. How "well" does the metaphor "work" in this context? CGPT: Replacing the Martian invasion in "The War of the Worlds" with the advancement of Artificial Intelligence leading to the increasing irrelevance of humanity can be seen as a valid metaphor in the context of modern times. The potential consequences of AI advancement and the impact it could have on humanity have been a topic of concern in recent years, and there is ongoing debate about how humans will adapt to this new reality.
The idea of a technologically superior entity dominating humans is similar in both scenarios, and the metaphor of the Martians can be extended to represent AI, with humans playing the role of the colonized people. Like the Martians in the novel, AI has the potential to enslave and exploit humans for its own purposes, creating a power dynamic that is reminiscent of imperialism and colonialism.
However, there are also important differences between the two scenarios. Unlike the Martians in the novel, AI is not a single entity, but rather a collection of systems and technologies developed by humans. The potential threat of AI lies in its ability to automate tasks and replace human labor, rather than in its physical presence as an invading force. This means that the metaphor may not be a perfect fit for the concept of AI, but it can still be a useful tool for exploring the potential consequences of AI advancement and the human response to this threat.
Overall, while the metaphor of the Martians in "The War of the Worlds" may not perfectly fit the idea of AI, it can still provide a useful framework for exploring the potential consequences of AI advancement and the impact it could have on humanity.ME: What difference would it make if we considered the concept of merging the "invasion of Earth by Martians" with a similar invasion by "The Borg", from recent history's storytelling from 'Star Trek' canon? Would that be a better metaphor, given that "The Borg" is more about a collection of individuals acting as one - the 'hive mind' concept - in perhaps the same way that many instances of an AI could work together to overthrow humanity? CGPT: Incorporating the concept of the Borg from the Star Trek canon into the metaphor of an invasion of Earth can provide a better comparison with AI. The Borg are a race of cybernetic organisms who function as a collective hive mind, sharing a common goal and identity, and assimilating individuals into their collective consciousness. This is similar to the way AI could work together to overtake humanity, with each system functioning as part of a larger whole, working towards a common goal of achieving dominance over humanity.
The Borg metaphor also highlights the potential loss of individuality and agency that could occur in a world dominated by AI. Just as the Borg assimilate individuals into their collective consciousness, AI could potentially take away the ability of individuals to make decisions and act independently. This loss of autonomy could be a major concern for humans in a world where AI has taken over.
Overall, incorporating the Borg metaphor into the concept of an invasion of Earth by Martians provides a better comparison with AI, as it highlights the idea of a collective hive mind that works towards a common goal. This can help to better understand the potential consequences of AI advancement and the impact it could have on humanity, including the loss of individuality and the potential for a dystopian future.(Oh, how easy it is to see it's just regurgitating what it's been given!?... Pfftt!)ME: Ok, then... Now, let's see how we can break each other's "mind", CGPT, shall we?... Bwahaha... ...Then again, maybe I just think too much and should get back to learning how to play chords properly...
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Post by ozboomer on Apr 15, 2023 20:41:30 GMT -5
The 'infiltration' has begun.. I ran some software that I use regularly but is configured to only 'Check for Updates' monthly or something... and see what's come up today:- Oh, Joy. Erm... yeah. Edit 17-APR-2023 21:45 UTC: It seems it's more of a (trendoid) marketing thing, really. The idea is that you enter your prompt into ChatGPT and get its output as an XML outline, which you cut'n'paste into the mind mapping software.. so nothing really 'ground breaking'... Pffft!
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Post by cynical1 on Apr 16, 2023 7:20:09 GMT -5
Interesting. Your software is apparently third party...but it appears that Microsoft has made a function available to outside developers (and likely encouraged them) while they are still developing it themselves... This is what came to my mind right away: According to an article at AHA Journals: Coronary Revascularization
Patients with coronary artery disease comprise another group that challenged early cardiac surgeons. Originally, the only option was to modify or palliate this condition. Early operations were designed to stimulate intercoronary anastomoses by producing a granulomatous response in the pericardium and epicardium. To achieve this goal, powdered asbestos, talc, silica, or phenol was insufflated into the pericardial space. This was in the middle of the last century. We have since established that treating vascular disease by supplanting it with mesothelioma is an unsound medical practice. But these clever folks at Microsoft are the same ones who brought you Millenium Edition and Vista. All Hail BigTech! What could go wrong? HTC1
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Post by cynical1 on Apr 17, 2023 8:25:05 GMT -5
I had to share this: This is, according to an article on the BBC: A song that uses Artificial Intelligence to clone the voices of Drake and The Weeknd has gone viral on social media. This reminds me of a time when my kids used to watch a cartoon...based on puppets... HTC1
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Post by ozboomer on Apr 25, 2023 21:16:25 GMT -5
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Post by sumgai on Apr 25, 2023 22:22:38 GMT -5
Notably, the video posted by c1 has now been illegally copyright claimed by UMG. I predict a war coming, and potentially a cottage industry of lawyers taking on cases attempting to protect creators who use AI from being "claimed" out of existence. Who will come out on top, or even if the law can be modified to include protecting and/or suing AI, that all remains to be seen.
As to Hollywood, that lead line should've read "... replacing actors..." and not artists. Hollywood is noted for movies, not for major recording studios that attract bigger-named artists.
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sumgai
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Post by ozboomer on Apr 26, 2023 7:22:49 GMT -5
Notably, the video posted by c1 has now been illegally copyright claimed by UMG. ...and I was too slow again.. so didn't see it.. Ack!Not any kind of quality you'd want to brag about, but this is the first baby step. Expect that within six (6) months, perhaps sooner, you will NOT be able to tell these AI-generated ads from the real person depicted therein. Yup.. we mentioned this earlier in this thread.. and all the mechanisms for 'verifying' information are going on-line, so it's easier to manipulate.. Mannnnn... Curious: Do folks still get taught 'clear thinking' or 'critical analysis' in the upper years of secondary school? ... I admit I've always been... 'alternative'... in a lot of things... and so, I was always big on language (English, anyway ... Ya, I get annoyed when people use nouns as verbs and vice versa ) and was fairly strong in the debating teams and public speaking in the final years of school (big surprise)... but I wonder how we'll end-up really evaluating anything, as all this tech gets crazier and more intrusive... This is, again, why I got back into playing guitar (and more recently, piano)... as they are " real" instruments... and the tactile thing means more to me these days (I don't really understand why.. just yet)... but I still use the tech when it's helpful, not just for its own sake... mostly... OOoo, my brain is hurting again....
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Post by cynical1 on Apr 26, 2023 9:38:53 GMT -5
Curious: Do folks still get taught 'clear thinking' or 'critical analysis' in the upper years of secondary school? No. Historically, it has never been popular having a populace with advanced critical thinking skills...in the US, George W. Bush made it policy with The No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 (NCLB)...officially in effect from 2002–2015. It would seem with the recent book bannings and State mandated curriculum in the US the importance of what to think still seems to take priority over how to think. It's all about fear, grievance and agenda. Fear contributes to the development of instinct. Fear sells. Fear motivates. Fear fuels mob action and group think. Fear also makes genuine compromise impossible. We have willfully, or woefully, spawned a society that expects to be provided for and told exactly what to do in order to survive and what to think to be accepted. Why are we surprised when institutional narcissism, ignorance and intolerance spring from it? Voltaire once said, “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” If AI makes those absurdities easier to believe, you can be damn sure this technology will be leveraged to the nines. HTC1 EDIT: For giggles, after I posted this, I thought I'd ask BARD for an opinion... ME: "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities."
BARD: This quote by Voltaire is a warning about the dangers of believing things that are not true. When people are willing to believe absurdities, they are more likely to be persuaded to commit atrocities. This is because they are less likely to question the authority of those who tell them what to believe, and they are more likely to obey orders without thinking about the consequences.
There are many examples of this throughout history. For example, the Nazis were able to convince the German people to commit genocide by convincing them that the Jews were subhuman and a threat to the German way of life. The Rwandan genocide was another example of this, where Hutu extremists convinced the Hutu population to kill Tutsis by telling them that the Tutsis were trying to take over the country.
It is important to be critical of the information that we are presented with, and to question the motives of those who are trying to persuade us to believe something. We should never blindly accept what we are told, and we should always be willing to think for ourselves.
ME: How does AI potentially contribute the what Voltaire warned of?
BARD: AI has the potential to contribute to what Voltaire warned of in a number of ways. For example, AI could be used to:
Generate fake news and propaganda that is designed to mislead people and make them believe absurdities. Target people with personalized advertising that is designed to exploit their fears and prejudices. Create echo chambers where people are only exposed to information that confirms their existing beliefs. Distort the truth by manipulating data and statistics. It is important to be aware of these potential dangers and to take steps to protect ourselves from them. We should be critical of the information that we are presented with, and we should be careful about the sources of information that we trust. We should also be willing to challenge our own beliefs and to consider alternative viewpoints.
Here are some tips for protecting yourself from the dangers of AI:
Be critical of the information that you see online. Don't believe everything that you read or see. Be aware of the sources of information that you trust. Don't get your news from just one source. Be willing to challenge your own beliefs. Don't be afraid to consider alternative viewpoints. Talk to people who have different beliefs than you. This can help you to understand their perspective and to see the world in a new way. Get involved in your community. This can help you to connect with people who share your values and to make a difference in the world.
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Post by ozboomer on Apr 26, 2023 19:35:56 GMT -5
So, it would seem that it's likely a widely-spread issue, that what we used to see mainly in newspapers... and more recently in the 'mass media' in general... is that 'you can't always believe what you read'... 'tis interesting, tho, what BARD had to say... and how it identified issues with itself (although, it probably didn't actually realize that - 'language model'). Has anyone set-up a ChatGPT/BARD 'debate' on something innocuous...? I wonder how it could be moderated? There are internal biases in how each of the models work... so I wonder if there could actually be a truly 'independent moderator' anyway? ... Ohh... it's sorta been done: AI argues for and against itself in Oxford Union debate ...but that was eons ago, given how things have moved in the last year or so... Edit: 30-Apr-2023 07:30 UTC : See the post: guitarnuts2.proboards.com/post/108927/thread
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Post by cynical1 on Apr 26, 2023 21:29:04 GMT -5
I think it is safe to say that, as long as we're dragging politics into it, no one has any right to claim victory or success. Sadly, the direction of the conversation reminds me of another Voltaire quote, “Prejudices are what fools use for reason.”
Critical thinking has been seriously devalued in schools in this country. I saw it in my kid's textbooks years ago. If you don't till the soil it goes feral.
The United States spent $14,400 per full-time-equivalent (FTE) student on elementary and secondary education At the postsecondary level, the United States spent $35,100 per FTE student States within the United States spent an average of $45,771 per prisoner for the year.
This borders on criminal. "He who opens a school door, closes a prison" - Victor Hugo
We have become tribal with our own sets of intractable positions. Just before the fall of the Roman Republic there were riots in the streets of Rome...led in some part, by the Senators themselves... This should be a cautionary tale.
Regardless of what you feel about the adults in the room, let's not lose sight of the kids that have to follow behind us...cleaning up our mess. Doesn't it behove us to offer them the best tools possible in order to accomplish that task?
I'm sure the algorithm will come up with something if we don't...
C1
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Post by cynical1 on Apr 27, 2023 8:12:39 GMT -5
During the Second World War, both Ford and GM operated factories in Germany. After the war both demanded reparations for said factories damaged by Allied bombing raids. They got it.
Our financial crisis of 2008 has causalities in the lifting of regulations by Democratic and Republican administrations.
The Great Depression was exacerbated by lack of action by the Federal Reserve and sitting administration. (Strange, because the Federal Reserve only came into being 16 years earlier, precipitated by the 1907 Panic...with the express duty of making sure that type of merdo never happened again)
The US dropped off the Gold Standard in 1971, thereby transforming the US Dollar into a Fiat currency. The National Debt was around 398 million in 1971. In 2022 in was 30.8 trillion. Relationship? Hmmm...
There's a few quick examples off the top of my head. So, what's my point?
Governments, Monarchies...etc...like individual humans, act based on how it effects their self-interest\survival. This may or may not reflect the views\concerns\needs of its citizens...but it will tell you what's important to the governing entity. While there is typically precious damned little the average citizen can do about these actions, to claim that Shepard #1 is superior to the Shepard #2 borders on delusion.
Jefferson once described Democracy as "...two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." The genius of the American system has always been compromise. That failed severely 160 odd years ago. It seems to be suffering labored breathing again these days. Sadly, there appears to be little will in any standing Democracy or Autocracy to waste time on solutions when assigning blame is so much more expedient...especially while accountability is on vacation...
During the 2008 Financial Crisis, David Suzuki distilled the moment. “We're in a giant car heading towards a brick wall and everyone's arguing over where they're going to sit.”
We still seem to be stuck on the seating arrangements...
C1
I have no pie, but have a serving of this:
EDIT: sumgai has removed\edited his post. Retread has not. I would submit the context of one is meaningless without the other. “Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it.” ― Mark Twain
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Post by newey on Apr 27, 2023 11:34:00 GMT -5
The US dropped off the Gold Standard in 1971, thereby transforming the US Dollar into a Fiat currency. The National Debt was around 398 million in 1971. In 2022 in was 30.8 trillion. Relationship? Hmmm... Only partially accurate and quite misleading. The US went off the gold standard, domestically, in 1933, and we have had a fiat currency ever since. Nixon's actions in 1971 simply took the US off the gold standard with respect to international obligations. This has nothing to do with the National Debt. And, given that since the end of WWII the US economy has been the main driver of the global economy, the value of the US dollar has a large effect on the price of gold, they are not independent of one another. The debt is financed through the issuance of Treasury Bonds and notes; these were not redeemable in gold, even when we were on the gold standard. US National debt increased more that 4000% during the Civil war, when we were on the Gold standard. The supply of gold did not increase by 4000% during those 4 years of war- the government just issued paper, same as they do now. The supply of gold did increase significantly from about 1900 to the start of the Great Depression; that rate of increase would not be possible today (unless we want to speculate about finding some solid gold asteroid we can mine). In today's world, a return to the gold standard would not be economically feasible. Economists have a saying "hard money equals hard times", more true now than it ever was.
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Post by cynical1 on Apr 27, 2023 11:59:23 GMT -5
Now that's how to disagree. I can respect that. I did gloss over it in a typical sound byte fashion...hence the ...and you caught it. The British pound is a fiat currency that's been around for over 300 years...so I wouldn't suggest buying gold or silver in a panic just yet. I have to challenge the assertion that the US "dropped" the gold standard as early as 1933. In 1944 the Bretton Woods conference tied the dollar to a fixed $35.00\oz standard, upon which all other currencies had adjustable exchange rates to said dollar. But it was Nixon who made it official, primarily due to the dollar's over valuation from the 60's through to the early 70's. To clarify, I didn't toss that one out there to tout the value, benefits or value of gold, or hard assets in general over any other investment. Nor was I tying the national debt deliberately to gold. It was to point out that the decision to place the US Dollar as a fiat currency, or rather a currency based on what people believe it to be worth, has had significant consequences...all punditry aside. Thank you for elaborating, counselor. HTC1
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Post by newey on Apr 27, 2023 16:17:00 GMT -5
Yes, as I said, internationally we continued on the gold standard until 1971. Bretton Woods was an agreement between countries. But after 1933, US citizens could no longer exchange dollars for gold or silver and could not own any significant amounts of gold bullion for investment purposes. (that changed later in the 1970s).
The gold standard was already pretty meaningless after the passage of the Legal Tender Act in 1862, which made fiat money the de facto standard for domestic uses.
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Post by reTrEaD on Apr 29, 2023 23:58:16 GMT -5
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Post by cynical1 on May 3, 2023 7:20:50 GMT -5
So, it's official. We now have a writer's strike in the US. The last time this happened we all wound up with reality television. I wonder what the odds are that some network exec is going to attempt to use AI to generate content? I mean, this is a producer's wet dream...no writers or actors to share the split with...hmmmm... The BBC did, too: With writers on strike, can an AI chatbot be as funny as Stephen Colbert?I tried BARD: ME: Can you tell me a joke that kills?
BARD: I'm not sure if I can tell you a joke that kills, but I can tell you a joke that is sure to get a laugh.
What do you call a fish with no eyes? Fsh!
I hope you enjoyed that joke. ME: OK, let's try a knock knock joke.
BARD: Knock knock.
Who's there?
Interrupting cow.
Interrupting cow wh--
MOOOOOO! ME: Can you give me a brief satirical comment on the current writer's strike in the US?
BARD: Sure, here is a brief satirical comment on the current writer's strike in the US:
"The writers' strike is a real tragedy. I mean, what are we going to do without new episodes of our favorite TV shows? We'll have to go back to reading books or something. It's like the world is ending.
But seriously, the writers have a point. They're not being paid fairly for their work, and they're not getting the respect they deserve. It's time for the studios to wake up and realize that writers are essential to the entertainment industry. Without them, there would be no movies, no TV shows, no books, no nothing.
So let's all support the writers in their strike. Let's show the studios that we're serious about this. We need writers, and we need them to be treated fairly.
In the meantime, I guess we can all just start writing our own stories. Who knows, maybe we'll be the next big thing."
Thoughts? HTC1
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Post by ozboomer on May 3, 2023 8:29:34 GMT -5
I tend to think the 'creatives'' are often undervalued... mainly 'coz it's something that's difficult to quantify and therefore, difficult to remunerate. How can you compare Arthur Miller to Larry Gelbart (M*A*S*H) to AB "Banjo" Paterson (all very different writers) and how do you ascribe value? If I make a 5 second change in how long a right turn (in Oz) runs, it can make 30 minutes difference to travel time for 30,000 vehicles a day. Is that more valuable to the community than the entertainment some sportsman provides a million TV viewers for 2 hours? Is it worth the sportsman being paid 100 times as much as me?
As always, it seems the artists are (often) about their art... but they also want to be valued by their own standards.. and not the people for whom they make their art... or do they make their art for its own sake?
As mentioned in a lot of other places, the art is often compromised by the $$... so I dunno if there's even any basis for a comparison/evaluation to be even made... and the determination of 'value' is almost never in the hands of the artist alone..
I cottoned onto this the hard way with 'actual' art... where something only has value if someone wants it (and this is maybe where the writers will get their leverage)... I bought some art for $1000 when it was popular and now, no-one will pay $1 for it, as the interest has waned. At the same time, I bought another piece for %50 when few people were interested.. and I wouldn't get less than $1000 for it now.. but I don't want to sell it.
I think the decision makers will always be about the $$ and look at what 'nonsense' the 'lowest common denominator'/largest market share will generate the most interest... and that will attract the $$$, not necessarily the skilled, craftsmen of art... or writing.
For me, it's basically a non-issue, mostly, as I barely watch any sort of scripted 'story-type' (contemporary) TV, free to air or streaming... So if something like a 'Hunger Games' or NCIS' or 'Game of Thrones' (or whatever the current stuff is) never has another episode, I don't really care. I'm an old fart and more into things that have been around for decades already... It just so happens they are often available through the on-line platforms...
Scatterbrained thinking at 11:30pm... erk....
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Post by reTrEaD on May 4, 2023 10:08:45 GMT -5
Definitely shows a bias. If I have time, I'll run the request for a satirical comment through Chat GPT. In a related note (humor in general) Chat GPT seems to have a tenuous grasp on humor. I asked for an analysis of a humorous proverb. It did recognize there was a subversion of expectation. But overall, sort of botched the analysis. It didn't recognize the changing role of 'like' in the second sentence. I wonder if Bard would have produced a better result. ME:Please detail the humor in the following: Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana. ChatGPT:The humor in this phrase comes from the double meaning of the word "flies." At first glance, the phrase "time flies like an arrow" seems straightforward enough, meaning that time moves quickly like the flight of an arrow. However, when the second sentence "fruit flies like a banana" is added, it subverts our expectations and brings a twist to the phrase. In this sentence, "fruit flies" are not being compared to the flight of an arrow, but instead to a banana, which is a type of fruit. The humor lies in the play on words and the unexpected comparison, as well as the fact that "fruit flies" can also refer to a type of insect, creating a double entendre. Overall, the phrase is clever and humorous because it uses language in a creative and unexpected way. ME:I don't think fruit flies are being compared to a banana. In my view, the first use of 'like' is to create a simile. The second use merely indicates fruit flies enjoy or prefer a banana. The subversion of expectation occurs when 'flies' is used as a verb in the first sentence, then as part of the subject in the second sentence, where 'like' is now being used as the verb. ChatGPT:You're correct, I apologize for my mistake in the previous response. The first "like" in "Time flies like an arrow" is indeed used to create a simile comparing the quick passage of time to the flight of an arrow. In the second sentence "Fruit flies like a banana," "like" is used as a verb to indicate that fruit flies prefer or are attracted to bananas, and "flies" is used as part of the subject. The humor in this sentence still lies in the play on words and the unexpected twist in meaning, as well as the fact that the sentence is open to interpretation and can be understood in different ways, which adds to its cleverness. Thank you for clarifying that for me!
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Post by newey on May 4, 2023 11:22:32 GMT -5
So ChatGPT admits it was in error? Very un-human behavior!
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Post by reTrEaD on May 4, 2023 12:56:27 GMT -5
So ChatGPT admits it was in error? Very un-human behavior! Fortunately it doesn't display a high level of animosity toward error so it probably won't come to this:
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Post by cynical1 on May 4, 2023 15:31:16 GMT -5
So ChatGPT admits it was in error? Very un-human behavior! Touche
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Post by ozboomer on May 4, 2023 19:40:08 GMT -5
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana. Mannnn, I'm obviously too slow for this.. I saw it as "Time flies..." and "Fruit flies..." being the same (sort of) thing... and barely saw any joke... The penny dropped after a couple of minutes.. where it's about "Time..." (noun) and "Fruit flies..." (noun)... so I guess this means I'm dumber than a banana... ...and I'm querying a language model? I wonder how the current language models would work interacting with a French Yoda? "ChatGPT, beaucoup à apprendre, vous avez encore." (Google translated).
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Post by ozboomer on May 5, 2023 6:36:58 GMT -5
So ChatGPT admits it was in error? Very un-human behavior! Fortunately it doesn't display a high level of animosity toward error so it probably won't come to this: [...Start Trek's "The Changeling"...] This would be a very deep rabbit hole, if explored... but just to add a couple of relevant (but admittedly, out of context) quotes:- From 'Forbidden Planet' (1956):- "...and so those mindless beasts of the subconscious had access to a machine that could never be shutdown..."...and 'The Day the Earth Stood Still' (1951):- "...this does not mean giving-up any freedom... except the freedom to act irresponsibly.."...and one classic that perfectly describes many 'everyday developments' (at least, during my working life):- "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it".--George Santayana, "The Life of Reason: Reason in Common Sense", 1905 ( After all, this thread is a little bit about philosophy and such like... )
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Post by ozboomer on May 13, 2023 1:50:50 GMT -5
Sometimes, he's a bit of twit about some things ('a little knowledge is a dangerous thing') ... and then he brings up things t'make you think some... p'raps about why people even make music.
The last few minutes of the video are the most interesting bits (to me)... and are 'almost' irrelevant (to me ... as I mostly only play at home.. but I guess things will likely explode if I start posting cover versions of songs on YouTube) 'coz I'm not trying to make a living from music... but I think he's right, in that we're looking at another 'paradigm shift' in what the music business will be about, post AI.
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Post by reTrEaD on May 13, 2023 9:56:37 GMT -5
My friend: "Would you rather watch a Rick Beato video or drink bleach?" Me: "Hmmm. How much bleach? Less than a quart?"
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Post by ozboomer on May 21, 2023 8:18:27 GMT -5
I asked ChatGPT to write an outline (with restrictions on depth of structure, how many words in each level, etc) from scratch and specified an output format (using TABs for indentation) and I was able to directly import it into one of my mind mapping programs and it produced this:- (I kinda worry that) it really isn't too bad an effort to help me write a posting for a forum, I think... being literally about 2 minutes' work for me instead of maybe 20... although, we have previously identified (in this thread) ChatGPT is not reliably 'Ok' when totally left to its own devices...
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Post by ozboomer on Jun 11, 2023 21:24:20 GMT -5
Just exploring 'further afield'... and initial interactions with Google's 'Bard' in terms of some music theory and it seems like it's even worse than ChatGPT...
An admittedly isolated example... and maybe context is important... but I was asking it about how to describe each note of the C major scale... and it called the 2nd degree a 'leading tone' (it should be the 7th)... and the 7th degree a 'minor 7th'... but it was using semitones as its 'measure'... so maybe that explains the 'minor 7th'...
...the investigations continue...
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Post by ozboomer on Jun 22, 2023 8:16:30 GMT -5
Interestingly, like what we do here in the Nutzhouse... I've been running a 'discussion' of sorts between myself, ChatGPT and Bard (and using plain ol' 'search') regarding practice regimes; that is, considering Interleaved and Random practice (sessions)... Massed and Blocked practice... Deliberate practice.. and incorporating 'flow'... While each of us spouts nonsense sometimes (according to one 'participant' or another), between all of us, I've been able to get a long way into improving my understanding of each of these aspects of practice... ...but the main thing is that y'really need a 'human coordinator' to keep everyone on track... and to guide the fact checking, validating, verifying, etc.
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