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Post by sbgodofmetal on Mar 29, 2011 2:09:17 GMT -5
thanks ash i finally completely understand why you were saying that many caps wouldn't work in your previous posts now after disecting a standard diagram i understand you can only get 3 caps at the most on a standard 5way but it will result in a mass increase of bass on pos, 2&4 thats not always a desired effect now if only i could find a way to move the tones at 2&4, to 4&5, and just have .050uf at pos3 without sacrificing the blade for another true DP5T rotary as my 'at home' diagram already has 2 in it
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Post by sbgodofmetal on Mar 29, 2011 2:14:52 GMT -5
which i'm wondering if it could be pulled off by the 4pole 24 lug super switch, any ideas on wiring that son of a switch, this way: pos1, .022uf. pos2, .039uf. pos3 .050uf. pos4, .061uf. pos5, .089uf.
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Post by newey on Mar 29, 2011 5:34:18 GMT -5
You don't need the full superswitch, the 2P5T "half superswitch" would do equally well, you don't need the extra poles. I was working on something similar with a superswitch a while back, but as I recall I had to redo the diagram and never followed up on it. I'm surprised Ash hasn't mentioned his Ric yet, which has both V and T controls 'hard-wired". He also posted sound samples in, ahh, the "Sounds Samples" board.
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Post by sbgodofmetal on Mar 29, 2011 8:11:24 GMT -5
well like i posted earlier the mega(GN2's1/2 a super) has 2poles but 7lugs, 5 are sources and 2 are commons right? going by stewmacs diagram i'd say that lugs 3&6 are the commons though i'd like to belive it'd be the 2 outer lugs but going my way its: lug1- common, lug2-.022uf, lug3-.039uf, lug4-.050uf, lug5-061uf, lug6-.089uf, lug7-common
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Post by sbgodofmetal on Mar 29, 2011 8:34:31 GMT -5
also are you familiar with the ''double barrel'' strat mod? ?
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Post by newey on Mar 29, 2011 8:34:18 GMT -5
The "half Superswitch" is different than the Megaswitch. The "half Superswitch is, literally, just that- one wafer w/ 2 poles instead of the full Superswitch which has 2 wafers, 4 poles. The Megaswitches from Stewmac are known as "Schaller Megaswitches" and are also available from EYB in the UK. Various other retailers carry them stateside. I misspoke earlier when I said that the Megaswitch "E" gave the original Strat positions- that one is the Megaswitch "S" model. The "E" model gives the regular Strat selections except that it gives N+B in the center position, instead of middle only as on a regular Strat. This gives one the "Tele-ish" sound. Here's a description of the "E" model from EYB: Megaswitch "E"While I was wrong about the specifics of the Megaswitch E, it is still not a regular 2P5T switch like the half-Superswitch. All of the variuous Megaswitch versions are designed to give specific pickup combinations via easy "wire-by-number" protocols. To use one of these for what you want will require working out the switch logic. This can be done based upon the view of the switch internals.
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Post by newey on Mar 29, 2011 8:45:21 GMT -5
AFAIK, no one has yet posted the pinout diagram for the Megaswitch "E" model. Here's one for the Megaswitch "S" for reference; this will be somewhat different than the "E" model, but it does demonstate, to an extent, how these Megaswitches differ from a regular switch. guitarnuts2.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=modules&action=display&thread=5520And yes, I'm familiar with the "Double Barrel" mod, but I'm not sure what it is about it that relates to this topic. Someone built one a while back and we had a long discussion, use the search function and go back about 700 days and get about 50 posts, you should find the thread in question.
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Post by sbgodofmetal on Mar 29, 2011 9:10:42 GMT -5
like said in my pm i got to thinking instead of a DP5T pup select w/a push pull neck add try the double barrel strat mod for even more pup options and sounds i realized after initial posting that the 2 outer caps on the blade are in the wrong spot so just switch them around and your good to go
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Post by sbgodofmetal on Mar 29, 2011 9:27:37 GMT -5
using two true DP5T rotary's instead of 2 5way blades and dropping the tone control completely and using the p/p vol as a switch add... down pos,= switch #1 alone for standard 5 strat sounds... up pos,= switch 1&2 together for custom coil adding and wiring the old 5way blade as a 1/2 varitone using .022uf, .039uf, &..050uf caps and cap mixing at pos, 2&4, to gain .061uf & .089uf. giving you the stock 5 sounds &125+ different pup combo's and 5 different tones to play them through its one massive tonal beast
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Post by sbgodofmetal on Mar 29, 2011 9:36:42 GMT -5
pro's: no invasive routing or drilling required so guitar appears externally 'STOCK'. addition of a 5way tone blade gives you 2 standard strat tones and 3 additional tones for a bigger variety of sound. the use of a p/p allows you to toggle 2nd pup switch on &off for standard 5 in down pos, & 125+ on the up pos,
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Post by sbgodofmetal on Mar 29, 2011 9:48:26 GMT -5
cons: the loss of the tone control means when you select a tone thats it you're unable to adjust its levels without losing the guitars volume since its wired directly to the volume, its not always 'practical' to go through 125+ switch settings to get the sound you want (unless you memorize what you like or draw a switch pos, chart) using the volume pot as a p/p can often get in the way causing abstruction while strumming (this can be avoided by simply moving the pot down the pickguard) cont....
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Post by sbgodofmetal on Mar 29, 2011 9:56:07 GMT -5
the 5 tones on the blade are not in a true assending order pos, 2&4 have a mass bass add with pos4, being the heaviest of the 2 those values are pos2, .061uf & pos4, .089uf(where pos, 1,3,& 5, are in true assending order i'm currently workig on a way to fix the assention order so bare with me on this issue)
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Post by sbgodofmetal on Mar 30, 2011 8:08:17 GMT -5
I've been thinking? (Yeah, yeah, I know.) about taking my ver. of the double barrel mod and making the 2nd pup selector a DP6T to get the 5 sounds plus a bypass effect. and making the up pos, of the p/p a passive O.D. add!!! giving it further more sound possibilities
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Post by ashcatlt on Mar 31, 2011 11:18:41 GMT -5
I'm surprised Ash hasn't mentioned his Ric yet... Boy howdy, have I got rotaries! In fact, all of my electric 6-strings have them. The Rick has 6 altogether - 4 x DP5T, a 4P5T, and a 4P3T. My first post here was re: my 3 Humbuckers, no Pots Strat which has 3 x DP5T as well as the 5-way blade I described at some point earlier. My MiniStrat has 2 x DP5T on top of 3 x DPDT toggles. My LP never got a thread of its own, but it's got a DP5T in place of the Gibson toggle. It's currently just Master V and T, but I've been thinking about adding a rotary to get some "broadbucker" options. Not sure what to do with that fourth hole... Then I've got a DP5T in my Rodent for different clipping options. I built a Volume/Tone/Buffer into a Crybaby shell which has a DP5T to change the input impedance, but it's not working currently. I think I may have found a solution, but... Okay, I lied! There is the Behringer Strat which I re-wired back to standard because I was going to sell it. Now that I've stuck a nut extender on it for lap steel type stuff, I think I might change some stuff. Maybe even experiment with 4real's sustainer thing.
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