funkbone
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Post by funkbone on Feb 3, 2021 16:47:19 GMT -5
Can you tell me how I can add the 7 sound switch into this layout from here www.premierguitar.com/articles/the-seven-sound-stratocaster-1? I had that going before and added the series switch with master tone and middle blend but the neck always on isn't working like I think it should. With stock wiring it should go like this: I can't see any reason why the same connection for the neck switch doesn't work. The neck is coming into the same spot and going out to volume from the same spot. I do get a little buzz from the pickup if I touch a pole with a screwdriver but no pop like the other pickups.
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Post by newey on Feb 3, 2021 18:22:11 GMT -5
funkbone-
Hello and welcome to G-Nutz2!
JohnH's SSM scheme uses the second pole of the 5-way switch to lift the ground of the neck pickup so as to make the series connections via the DPDT switch. You 7-sound switch adds the neck in parallel with the other pickups; to do so requires that the neck pickup be permanenetly grounded. SO, just off the top of my head, I think that's your problem.
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Post by JohnH on Feb 3, 2021 20:07:05 GMT -5
Newey has it right. You would need to use a two pole switch to also connect the lower side of the neck pu to the common pole of S1b.
But, id suggest that there is not much advantage in adding this second extra switch from the 7-sound mod. The SSM3 scheme already has 9 sounds plus variations, and it already does the N+B combo which is usually the main one that people want from the 7-sound mod. Plus it already has a combination of all three, though not quite the same.
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Post by funkbone on Feb 3, 2021 20:23:57 GMT -5
Yeah I guess N+B with middle blend off is the same thing. Any ideas for what I can use this extra switch for then? I already have neck and bridge phase switches too, so a total of 4 - series, 2 phase, and the 7 sound, which isn't needed. Maybe a kill switch? Would that just be putting the switch between output hot and volume? Edit: nevermind i looked up how to wire a kill switch and need a dpdt, which isn't on hand Any other cool ideas? A kill switch just isn't screaming out to me. I can get a DPDT since I have the hole in the pickguard already
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Post by JohnH on Feb 3, 2021 21:13:17 GMT -5
How about a blower switch?, a dpdt to fully bypass the tone and volume. You can use it for a lead boost, and it will also add bite to the sounds particularly the series sounds.
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Post by funkbone on Feb 4, 2021 10:36:16 GMT -5
Sounds like a good idea, I'll give it a shot. Thanks for this post and for all your help!
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Post by Yogi B on Feb 5, 2021 7:57:56 GMT -5
Edit: nevermind i looked up how to wire a kill switch and need a dpdt, which isn't on hand Whenever I see this diagram I'm always left in a state of bewilderment. I know the first rule of GN2 is leave no terminal unsoldered, but there's a striking difference between: leaving no terminal unsoldered because you've managed to cleverly get some useful functionality out of it; and using every available terminal for the sheer hell of it, especially in an instructional diagram. Lets look at what's happening in each switch position: - In the 'on' position (where the centre left terminal is connected to the upper left, and the centre right is connected to the upper right), we have the output from the volume control connected to the hot output of the jack, via the wire bridging the upper two terminals. The switch makes no additional connections to ground.
- In the 'off'/'kill' position (where the centre left terminal is connected to the lower left, and the centre right is connected to the lower right), the volume control output is connected to ground, and via the wire bridging the lower two terminals the hot output to the jack is connected to both the volume control output and to ground.
In other words, in both positions the volume control output and the hot output to the jack are connected -- the only difference between the two positions is whether or not they are both connected to ground. In reality, therefore, in order to get exactly the same switching operation at most you need only two terminals. So a kill switch is in fact quite manageable with only a SPDT.
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Post by frets on Feb 5, 2021 10:43:05 GMT -5
Yogi,
That’s what I use every time I make a kill switch. I put it on a momentary spdt.
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Post by newey on Feb 5, 2021 13:10:01 GMT -5
I know the first rule of GN2 is leave no terminal unsoldered That was my rule, anyway, and admittedly tongue-in-cheek. We have also repeatedly emphasized that unneeded connections simply add additional possible points of failure. IOW, "less is more" and "small is beautiful"
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Post by Yogi B on Feb 5, 2021 14:56:43 GMT -5
I know the first rule of GN2 is leave no terminal unsoldered That was my rule, anyway, and admittedly tongue-in-cheek. We have also repeatedly emphasized that unneeded connections simply add additional possible points of failure. IOW, "less is more" and "small is beautiful" I was agreeing, completely. (Though, I did miss an "and" after my semicolon.) Why the author that diagram (which originates from Seymour Duncan's wiring section) chose to utilize all terminals is unknown, but it seems like they were blindly following the "no terminal unsoldered" mindset. Sure, people might want to wire up a DPDT or push-pull as a kill switch, but there's no reason why the diagram author had to seemingly make maximal 'use' of the available terminals to have them do so -- and as you note introduce points of failure. In the "on" position, instead of a solid wire soldered at its endpoints between the volume (or switch) & output jack, and a separate hot wire from either one of those to the kill switch -- no let's have the signal go though four additional solder points and two switch contacts. Like I said: bewilderment! There's maybe some argument for making use of the second throw of a SPDT (DPDT, etc.): wiring the kill switch like an 'infinite' valued volume pot (i.e. shorting the output jack, but leaving the pickups open) -- but that'd still only utilize a single pole.
Also, I know if that diagram is still on SD's site as their wiring diagram section has been somewhat broken ever since its last redesign, selecting what should be the kill switch diagram (under "Switching Misc.") instead gives an active/passive toggle diagram.
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Post by xweto on Aug 14, 2023 5:49:07 GMT -5
Hello JohnH, I know its been a few years, but I cant seem to find how to turn a series switch into a blend anywhere else. I have a diagram that adds the middle in series using a push/pull. Could you or someone here maybe help me put this on a blend instead?
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Post by JohnH on Aug 14, 2023 15:49:57 GMT -5
hi xweto - since this thread is specific to the ssm3 design, could you please repost in the general guitar wiring section. Welcome to GN2!
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