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Post by prolife on Oct 29, 2008 17:32:23 GMT -5
hi guys. i just joined to get help with this wiring setup. a strat with 2 humbuckers, a 3 way blade selector. i was going for 2 vol 1 tone but i think i'd prefer 1 vol 2 tone. this seems hard to find. the blade has 8 lugs in a line and seymours stuff hasn't worked.
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Post by ChrisK on Oct 29, 2008 18:00:42 GMT -5
Welcome a'board! Does this mean that you're going to leave as soon as we help you? This is very straightforward to do. Fine, this is likely better than having a master tone located after the two volume pots. This is just like a dual humbucker Strat. Maybe, but it's not at all hard to do. Ok, it's likely an Off-Shore Lever Switch.What "stuff" from Seymour isn't working? They may not have a diagram that exactly matches your "stuff" (er, switch). However, the "Off-Shore Lever Switch" post will enable you to translate a 3-way lever (like the Fender unit) to the 8-lug-in-a-line lever switch. You have homework. There will be a test!
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Post by prolife on Oct 29, 2008 18:15:09 GMT -5
there seem to be some good forums here and i'm modding abit so i'll hang about. that info is a little too adavanced with no other info... i did have a thought that i could follow this diagram: www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=3s_1v_2t_5wbut cut out the mid pickup and wire the other 2 hot pickups to the old mid position as well as there own positions. i have given up for the day... do you think that could work?
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Post by pete12345 on Oct 29, 2008 18:19:10 GMT -5
I'm afraid not. Connecting both pickups to the same switch terminal would mean both are on, all the time. You would most likely want to follow the wiring for a telecaster, except rather than a master tone, wire each tone control around the relevant pickup (i.e, wired between the ground connection and the relevant pickup's 'hot' lead.
Pete
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Post by newey on Oct 29, 2008 18:27:43 GMT -5
pl- Hello and Welcome! Even though you "just joined to get help" with your current project, we hope you'll stick around even after we answer your question. But we need some additional information. First of all, are your humbuckers of the 2 wire variety, or perhaps 3 or 4 wires? If they're of the 4-wire variety, you have much more in the way of wiring options. You may want to consider doing something more than just a 3-way switch. But if it's a three-way switch you really want, that's fine. This is the standard Strat arrangement so I don't know how it's hard to find. Fender has called their 2-HB version of the Strat a "Big Apple Strat" at times, at other times a "Double Fat Strat". There are wiring diagrams for both on Fender's website. I'd give you the link here but my computer's acting up for some reason on Fender's site. Anyway, those diagrams utilize 4-conductor HBs and a 5-way switch so they won't directly translate to what you want, but they can be adapted. Those diagrams will show you how to wire a single Vol and 2 tone pots- but so do most strat wiring schemes. More definitive help will be along. Also, with all the lugs in a row, it sounds like you have an import version of the std Tele/Strat 3-way switch. Go to our reference page and look for "import switches", see if you can find one like yours among the diagrams. Or post a picture of it. This implies that you have wired up, and tested, one or more configurations. Are you using SD pickups? What have you tried and what didn't work about it? EDIT: And while I was off ordering pizza mid-post, several others jumped in and said much the same. Durn we're quick around here...
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Post by ChrisK on Oct 29, 2008 18:38:57 GMT -5
It is an excellent basis to start with. I can certainly mark up that diagram for what you want.
I looked in the Fender wiring diagram archive, but virtually all HH Strats use a 4P5T lever super switch. While any large number of drawings a'web can be used as a mark-up basis, we might as well just use the one that you posted.
Two questions need to be answered;
1. What pickups exactly are you using (Mfgr/model please)?
2. Each tone control will be active when each respective pickup is selected alone. Do you want both tones to be active in the middle/both position, or, if not, which one should be active?
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Post by prolife on Oct 29, 2008 18:42:21 GMT -5
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Post by prolife on Oct 29, 2008 18:46:53 GMT -5
ok. just 2 epiphone 2 wire humbuckers are in it i took from my g400. it now has filertrons types. t1= neck t2 =bridge t3? for mid i guess both on?
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Post by ChrisK on Oct 29, 2008 18:50:33 GMT -5
This is a switching error.
Yep. that's why we'all invented reverse LP wiring.
Ok!
I'll work on it.
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Post by prolife on Oct 29, 2008 18:51:33 GMT -5
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Post by ChrisK on Oct 29, 2008 19:10:15 GMT -5
If you want to go to just one of the tones being active in the middle position, just let me know.
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Post by prolife on Oct 29, 2008 19:15:15 GMT -5
cool! i'm tempted to give it a go now but it's a bit late. i'll try it tommorow and if it works i can use it on another strat with 2 gfs mean 90's. it will have the same config. 3 way blade 1 vol and 2 tone. thanks!!!
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Post by newey on Oct 29, 2008 20:02:22 GMT -5
Prolife posted this at 6:32 EST. By 7:15 he had several responses, and by 8:10, after some back and forth, he had a diagram.
Any tech support outfit would be proud of a response like that. Everyone involved gets a gold star! (And 1+ to ChrisK for the actual diagram!)
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Post by prolife on Oct 29, 2008 20:36:27 GMT -5
half way there guys. i've checked twice. it's 1.30am uk time and i've gotta hoover the solder up!!! anyway. vol is ok all positions. t2 is fine on bridge pickup. neck is very different to bridge but very les paul-ish no treble at all. mid and neck position sound the same t1 does not work...
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Post by ChrisK on Oct 30, 2008 11:07:07 GMT -5
Post some pictures of your wiring.
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Post by prolife on Oct 30, 2008 11:58:36 GMT -5
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Post by ChrisK on Oct 30, 2008 13:29:34 GMT -5
This is exactly the type of switch that my second drawing shows.
Post some pics of your latest wiring inside of your guitar (as you have soldered it).
Especially show the wiring on the switch and pots.
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Post by prolife on Oct 30, 2008 21:25:17 GMT -5
cool that got it. thanks. i think i got some pots i had from an old rusty strat in it or something because it's fine after i redid the job with other stuff. what are the recommended pot and cap value for this setup? as i think i'm going to get some new ones anyway.
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Post by prolife on Oct 30, 2008 21:33:33 GMT -5
oh by the way if you could do the other pic of the one tone mid position option that would be cool. i am going to print them out and put them somewhere handy if i need the same again.
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Post by ChrisK on Oct 31, 2008 19:44:57 GMT -5
Which tone pot will be active in the mid position?
Both drawings indicate that 500K pots are normally used with humbuckers. Typically, 0.022 uF (22 nF) caps are used with humbuckers.
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Post by prolife on Nov 1, 2008 8:54:18 GMT -5
hi,
i guess mid pot makes most sense... you know i did wire up 250k pots and it sounded very bright! i guess i'll record the sounds and then try 500k. thats probably better than going by ear.
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Post by newey on Nov 1, 2008 14:07:51 GMT -5
If 250K was bright, 500K will be more bright, not less.
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Post by prolife on Nov 1, 2008 17:08:03 GMT -5
yeah i know. i found that odd. but i'm going to try it anyway as for some reason i don't like the tone i'm getting where i did before. i took out a mid pickup though. i had a single coil hsh config. actually i had it out of phase and i liked the variation. perhaps 2 hb's are just plain sounding after that config.
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Post by newey on Nov 1, 2008 20:55:58 GMT -5
Or perhaps 2 HBs are just really plain-sounding. ;D
No. I don't want to start that fight. Personally, though, I've never been a fan.
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Post by ChrisK on Nov 1, 2008 22:27:29 GMT -5
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Post by prolife on Nov 2, 2008 8:52:06 GMT -5
ha! ok job done. thanks.
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