if i have to improvise with a 5 way switch, how do i wire it? i would just want neck, neck/ bridge and bridge. unless there are some no hassle extras with the 4 conductor wiring on both these pups and this switch. i just want 1,3 and 5 as normal. it's a 5 way import by the way, i vol and 1 tone. thanks.
Lots of possibilities there, with 4-wire HBs. I wouldn't be so quick to give up those extra switch positions!
For example, you can treat one of the 2 HBs (N or B, your choice) as, in effect, 2 single coils, using all 4 wires to split the coils. The other HB would have its 2 coils wired together in series (std HB arrangement) and would not be split. Then wire it according to any import-switch regular Strat wiring diagram, it's just like a HSS Strat with the 2 SCs really close together. Assuming you split the neck pup, it would give you:
5-N top coil 4-N HB, coils in parallel 3-N bottom coil 4-N bottom coil+Br HB 5-Br HB
Ah, but you say you want both pups on full HB at the "3" position? No problem, one of the classic Strat mods jumpers the 3 pups together at position 3, to give "all three" in the middle. Diagrams for that mod abound, and there's one around here somewhere that I'll find and dust off for you.
Of course, this gives you the N HB in parallel, not series. I personally like that sound; you may not. Whether this arrangement could be done so the N HB coils connect in series at position "4", that I don't know.
Leaving one of the HBs unsplit, and treating it as a single coil, you could also try this arrangement:
1. Neck series HB 2. Neck bottom coil, top coil and bridge coil shorted 3. Neck series HB with bridge HB in parallel with neck top coil 4. Neck top coil in parallel with bridge, neck bottom coil shorted 5. Bridge HB
The diagram is drawn for a regular, non-import Strat switch, but it could be easily transposed to the import switch.
I have an ulterior motive- I'm wanting someone to try that mod and tell me if they like it, as I plan on using it in the future.
On the thread you linked to, the last question asked whether the diagrams were using a regular 5-way switch. No one responded, and that's since April 2007.
I suspect that those are not standard 5-way switches. It's an Ibanez site, and those are Ibanez diagrams, and Ibanez often uses a different type of 5-way switch. One of the diagrams refers to an "SG" switch being used; my S-type Ibanez uses a distinct type of 5-way switch.
If you have a regular import-style Strat switch, it does look similar to the Ibanez ones, but internally it's different. Go to our reference pages and look for ChrisK's post on "Overseas Lever Switches" and compare yours to what you see there. If you're still unsure what you've got, check the switch with a multimeter to see "what connects to what" in the various positions.
the only thing that comes up with those terms or a mix of them, in the search box, this thread. so i'm not sure where to look... i think i like that switching combo though. it's definitely a 5 way switch, but yeah i guess who knows how it's wired. then again i may try one of the pickups tommorow and see what i get!
ahhh yes that diagram helps. i guess i can see whats out there and have a go. i do like the jem switching, but i have no idea which switch to get... it's from an ibanez RGA121. ebay don't carry these spares and anyway i'm too cheap to pay the earth for one! ;D
oh hey guys which coils usually get used when split using a push pull? inner or outer?
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which coils usually get used when split using a push pull? inner or outer?
That depends on several things. First, if the coil to be split is going to be combined with another coil, one can chose the coil that is RWRP with the coil it will be combined with, so as to be hum-canceling.
If the HB has one coil with adjustable poles and the other with slugs, the adjustable coil is usually chosen so as to maintain adjustability.
And sometimes the choice is made by the position of the coil to be split, e.g. closer to the bridge.
The switches are listed towards to bottom of the age. There are 5 different model numbers listed and prices run from $12.00 - $30.00 each. I don't know what switch the drawing in question uses, but a quick e-mail to the the owner of this site should get you a quick answer.
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oh well, i've been trying to find a more interesting combo than just plain b, b-n, n but i can't find one. so i'll add a push pull on it. so how do i wire a 5 way import as a 3 way import? do i just follow the 3 way diagram? they are said to be the same?
1. Bridge coils in series 2. Bridge coils in series, in parallel with Neck lower coil 3. Neck coils in series, in parallel with Bridge coils in series 4. Neck coils in series, in parallel with Bridge lower coil 5. Neck coils in series
The "lower coil" is the one on each humbucker with the grounded wire. When these are selected, the "upper coil" on each is shorted.
I modified a Duncan diagram in red. I do have to warn you though, it's very complicated.
but what would happen if you added extra wires from the red and white that go to the switch and soldered them to a push pull also? Would anything work?
Ok, one doesn't ever get off easy after asking that kind of unloaded question.
Here it comes...... "....added extra wires from the red and white that go to the switch and soldered them to a push pull doing what?
What would you want the switch to do (we need more input)?
so how do i wire a 5 way import as a 3 way import? do i just follow the 3 way diagram? they are said to be the same?
Yes, they are the same electrical switch PCB with two additional mechanical positions.
The Fender 3-way (make before break shorting switch) and 5-way switches share the same electrical switch wafer with two additional mechanical positions. These positions used to be added by filing notches in the switch mechanism. They were called, uh, well, um, the "notch" positions (#2 & #4).
1. great stuff! 2. bridge hum+neck lower coil. does this means both split? or full bridge+neck split? still great stuff but if not can i use the push pull to split them? 3.great! 4. same here as 2. a neck full on and bridge split. or both split? 5. great stuff.
#2 is the full Bridge Humbucker with the neck split, #4 is the Neck full HB with the bridge split. #1,3 & 5 are the 3 you wished for, with the 2 HBs at #3.
You could interpose a push/pull to split one or the other of the HBs before the 5-way switch. This would give you 2 SCs in the #2 position, if you wired the bridge HB to the push/pull, and some other possibilities depending on which coil was split off.
Well, ya know, it isn't all that hard to get a cheap Strat pickguard and cut off the control area. Mount the pickups and the larger part of the guard to the guitar and use the cut-off control part as an easily removable control cover.