Some crazy wiring ideas

[JohnH]

Sumgai...but apart from all that..what did you think of it?.....

Peter - I think I get what you are trying for, to get a full range of sounds from your coils and lots of variations. What you are setting out to do covers all those bases, without putting the two pickups in series. Unfortunately the 'blenders' are just mucking everything up!

Ive tried several versions of making blenders work, and there are ways, but ultimately, I think they are more trouble than they are worth.

What you could have easily, and which would work fine and is not rocket science could be, for example:

3 position toggles for series/split/parallel, a phase switch on one pup, basically as you have them, but ground referenced - ie from each pup/switch setup, one hot and one ground output
Follow that with standard Les Paul wiring, with volume and tones for each and a toggle for pickup selection. If you like to keep minimum load, you can use no-load pots for tone controls but volumes need to be standard audio taper. Use treble bleeds on each volume pot. And that would be a good practical working design with a heaps of good sounds.

And if theres anything that a scheme like that leaves out that you may need...take a peek at this:The HBD
Down the page there's a wiring diagram. Im not suggesting you do all of that, but it was my ultimate destination following the same road (it works too)

BTW, I like the way you draw you diagrams! - so don't stop!

John

[peterrabbit]

Yo! Sumgai!

Okey Dokey, I'll take a breather.

BUT FIRST...

Those pesky pots - I just don't know what I'm gonna do with'em.
I did, in fact, puzzle over the grounding of the blends, and came to the conclusion that grounding any of the lugs results in that pot turning into a volume pot, or turning the next pot in line into one, or both, depending on which lug you ground. AND no blending. Don't know how to rectify that yet, without the muddy mud of double-wafer blends seeping under the door.

My list of necessities includes:
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BUT forget the uncorrected text underneath the pic (which differs from i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/Peter-Rabbit/9-Oct0209Beginnings02.jpg only in the addition of a Pup/Pup Ser/Par DPDT)

Other than trying to achieve the same (or very similar) switching capabilities with different types of parts - superswitches, rotary pots, etc., my goal has been the same:
2 EMG hummers
coil/coil ser/par switching
pup/pup phase switching
pans btwn coils in each pup
pans between panned pups
pup/pup ser/par switching
vol-tone-out
as many hum cancelling combos as possible
as much sparkle, snap and twang as possible with warm jazz right beside it.

<just btwn u & me on>
I have a personal question:
You've been watching my thought processes, is this stuff really that complex, or am I just bleedin' thick? Even in my most lucid moments, those circuits which look exactly right to me give others aneurysms (hi, Chris Kikta). Ah well, I suppose it's a mix of OFS (Old-Farts'-Syndrome) and these craposis-of-the-liver drugs (yeah, I'm the one that said 'AA is for quitters')
</private moment off>

I almost forgot: your SON's Buck Rogers Lunchpail??? Doesn't that mean that you watched the first fish come onto dry land - or do you go back farther?

Yap at ya soon

Peter

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[sumgai]

Oct 4, 2009 5:25:29 GMT -5 peterrabbit said:

Yo! Sumgai!
........
I almost forgot: your SON's Buck Rogers Lunchpail??? Doesn't that mean that you watched the first fish come onto dry land - or do you go back farther?

Nope, not quite that far..... but I admit to being a bit puzzled at the shaking-up I went through, that time back when the big-ball-of-fire came down outta the sky and kilt all my pet dinosaurs!

~!~!~!~!~

I liked John's suggestion on the HBD, have you given that a look-see yet?

And no, you're not dense, but blending is not an easy thing to grasp. No matter how you slice it, at any given time there are two pots working in tandem, but opposing each other just the same. That takes a good foundation of understanding of both why and how we put a pot in the signal chain in the first place, and why we can do that insertion in more than one place in the same signal chain.

I'm outlining the next "Basic Training" article now, it'll be on Blend Pots. Call it an updated treatise on Chris's work in the Reference Section: guitarnuts2.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=reference&action=display&thread=3195 One of the things I'll include will be some definitions that were left out, as well as the more basic theories I just mentioned. Stay tuned!



sumgai