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Post by popsaka on Aug 31, 2011 0:38:15 GMT -5
..thanks so much C-1. Its all starting to make sense. I think perhaps my XP disc isn't a proper iso 9660, which (I think) explains why it only will setup in win98 (as an upgrade) Which would be okay except the on board dvdrw drive is semi invisible to my win98se disk, that is it sez: ''...setup w/ cd?, etc.'' but then no drivers install for it, like it leaves me with the ramdrive, but no bl**dy cd support!! I mean, if it sees no cd how the heck did it get this far?!?!... Incredible, ain't it?
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Post by cynical1 on Aug 31, 2011 7:16:21 GMT -5
The standard XP install disc will boot directly into the install routine. There should be no 98SE routine in there.
If you're working off of an XP upgrade disc all bets are off. It will need to see an installation of Windows 98 to initiate. It's hard to determine precisely based on what you've posted, but I would suspect that's why the install is failing, and not because of your DVD drive. Either way, if I were you, I'd use the XP disc you're using now as a coaster and move on.
At this point I would suggest looking for a free distributable for Linux. Whether you stick with it or not, it will give you a very good indication of how sound this computer is before you waste anymore time trying to stuff XP onto it.
There are several flavors of Linux out there, and as long as you have a GUI interface you can adjust to it quickly. And there are some apps for recording and sequencing available for Linux that can at least get you up and running.
I don't have a personal Linux favorite, but Ubantu gets a lot of press, and it does offer quite a few forums that can give you support getting up and running, and keep you running. Others with more Linux experience may chime in, but right now I'd say it's your best option.
Happy Trails
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Post by popsaka on Aug 31, 2011 13:27:16 GMT -5
...so sorry I'm not clear at times (been getting a tad flustered) My win98se disk is a proper os disc and I'd still use it now if it weren't so very outdated. What I meant to say is the xp disk shows up in win98 when inserted into the drive on my old win98se machine (which is barely holding on) but doesn't show in the new machine. Again, sorry 'bout that.
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Post by cynical1 on Aug 31, 2011 15:19:52 GMT -5
OK, just so I'm following along here, if I understand you correctly, the problem is with the XP install CD in the eMachine...right?
So, if you go to the BIOS and set the CD\DVD drive to be the first boot drive in the boot order, then let the machine continue to boot up, what exactly happens?
HTC1
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Post by sumgai on Sept 1, 2011 12:26:06 GMT -5
It has been my experience (Don't Ask!!) that in every version of Windows based upon the NT kernel, there are at least two setup routines. The important ones are in the I386 sub-directory, where you'll find WINNT.EXE, which is a command-line version, and WINNT32.EXE, which is a GUI version. The first will run under just about any OS, including DOS 5.0 and above (I've done it, I know.) The other does require a platform that supports 32-bit operations, but it will accept WoW, an old Microsoft way of saying "Windows on Windows".... it's a giant kludge that makes 16-bit Win98 look like a 32-bit OS to those applications that need it. That works too, I've used that many times.
In both cases, we're assuming that the 'puter is already booted into some kind of OS, and that a CD driver of some sort is running. Under DOS, that would be a driver installed via CONFIG.SYS. If it's under Win98, then the CD drive should already be visible in Explorer, and that should be good enough.
If one is adept, one can run the CLI version (WINNT.EXE) with a /h or /?, and get a help screen with several options. This is a giant step up from the usual approach from Microsoft, and it can get you over hurdles that might otherwise make you tear your hair out by the roots. (Ask c1 how he knows about that one. <hehehehe>)
Now if one is attempting to boot from said CD, and execute the installer from a position of no OS, then one is at the mercy of the disc itself. The root directory's installer program will be in charge, and that could be something that can work from scratch, or it might "need" to see a currently running OS in order to work, or it might only need to see a hard disk with an acceptable OS installed, even though it's not currently running. I can assure one and all that this root-directory-installer is merely a front end for the WINNT.EXE program, and is merely supplying options as prescribed by the disc's author. If you can boot under something else, then you can navigate to the I386 sub-directory and do the whole thing manually.
And that's how they do it down on the farm! ;D
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Post by popsaka on Sept 1, 2011 18:13:48 GMT -5
...the more I learn, the less I know (;· P)
Lessee If this makes sense: I'm gonna load dos 6-ish onto the C: drive via a 'sys.com' command and put the sata disk drivers in config.sys and then maybe just maybe the new machine will formally acknowledge the serial dvdrw drive and the rest should be easy!(?) :·)
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Post by sumgai on Sept 1, 2011 22:04:49 GMT -5
Lessee If this makes sense: I'm gonna load dos 6-ish onto the C: drive via a 'sys.com' command and put the sata disk drivers in config.sys and then maybe just maybe the new machine will formally acknowledge the serial dvdrw drive and the rest should be easy!(?) :·) I think the cart has just been put before the horse. Under DOS (any version), you need only ensure that the CD/DVD device can be accessed, meaning that the proper driver is located within the CONFIG.SYS file. That driver won't be for SATA-bus devices, which is fortunate for us, because no DVD drive is SATA-centric - at this point in time they're all PCI-e, or further back in the evolution chain. Just make sure your chosen driver matches your machine (and your version of DOS), and that'll get you up to the point where you can then run/execute either the main install program (ostensibly from the root of the DVD drive) or else WINNT.EXE, from the I386 sub-directory. But that puts you right back where you started, doesn't it? For this kind of thing, the F6 command was made. Early during the process, the Install program will ask you if you wish to install a 3rd-party driver for any kind of advanced disk drive. For WinXP, that would include anything SATA related. If you have the drivers that "make the world go 'round", you wait for the F6 message, insert the driver disk into the floppy drive and..... wait, you don't have a floppy drive, do you?!?! Bad berries. The next-best method of installing this kind of upgraded driver is to "slipstream" it into a stock WinXP installation disk. The instructions for that are way more than verbose, and really off-topic for this thread. My suggestion would be to google for "winxp slipstream pe" (without the quotes, of course). The "pe" means "pre-installed environment". It's the deal that will get you what you want, all in one place, and best of all, you can either burn the results to a CD, or port it all over to a USB thumb drive that then becomes bootable. (You'll probably want at least a 2-gigger.) c1 also has some info on this procedure, if you wanna ring his chimes, I have to go now. HTH sumgai
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Post by cynical1 on Sept 1, 2011 22:10:15 GMT -5
...the more I learn, the less I know (;· P) Lessee If this makes sense: I'm gonna load dos 6-ish onto the C: drive via a 'sys.com' command and put the sata disk drivers in config.sys and then maybe just maybe the new machine will formally acknowledge the serial dvdrw drive and the rest should be easy!(?) :·) Well...my fingers are crossed... Really, just disable SATA in the BIOS and just install the OS. If the DVD drive is on a SATA bus it can be set to Compatibility mode. This makes everyone think its just a plain vanilla IDEesque drive and all will be right with the world. Wait until you get the OS in place before you even use the word SATA again in a sentence. HTC1
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Post by popsaka on Sept 2, 2011 16:05:02 GMT -5
''Really, just disable SATA in the BIOS and just install the OS. If the DVD drive is on a SATA bus it can be set to Compatibility mode. This makes everyone think its just a plain vanilla IDEesque drive and all will be right with the world.''
...Don't tell me there's a compatibility mode in the bios? Outside of windows? That's ANOTHER one on me... Ah well, the more the merrier -Brain Salad/Stir-fry: ''Lightly toss your pre marinated grey matter before removing from skull, -then dump the whole mess into a pre-heated skillet -stirring gently -and if it moves: shoot it... ''(:·p)
''...this just in: -it seems he (me) figured a way to transfer xp and a basic dos os onto a usb stik on the old machine in dos mode. Our 'on the spot' news team will keep you informed with 'up to the minute' (every day or so lol) bulletins as it unfolds (or folds as the case may be) ---cheers
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Post by cynical1 on Sept 3, 2011 0:16:49 GMT -5
...Don't tell me there's a compatibility mode in the bios? Outside of windows? Trust us on this one. I've been doing this for over 25 years, and this is sumgai with his first computer: Trust us. There is an easier way. WTF... OK, one more time. When the machine first starts up hit F1 repeatedly. This will enter the CMOS setup to allow you to make BIOS setting changes. Look for something called "Integrated Peripherals". This is usually where they hide the SATA switch. Now, turned off the SATA, by either disabling AHCI, or set it to legacy IDE, or whatever the thing says, put your setup CD in the drive and save your changes in the BIOS, probably F10, but it will tell you on the screen. When you exit the BIOS setup the machine will restart. When the eMachines logo appears on the screen, press the F12 key repeatedly. This will bring up a boot menu. Select either CDROM or DVD as the boot device, this may vary depending on the system. Now, if the CD you have is bootable it will start the XP install routine. If it doesn't, your disk is bad and it needs to be replaced with a good disc. Period. EOL. No amount of techie voodoo will save it, and you will merely protract the agony. Please, come over to the dark side...we have cookies... HTC1
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Post by popsaka on Sept 4, 2011 22:24:09 GMT -5
...Hi-dee-ho, all. Lesseenow, a brief upstart -er upchuck -er update. yeah, that's it. -welp, 'del' opens bios but there doesn't appear to be any provision for disabling (dismembering?) sata. -prolly because that's all she's got (unfortunately) -aah these newfangled gizmos... 'can you say backward com-pat-tah-bull?' --in a couple 'a more years you'll be feedin' yerself -god willing. please save me a cookie (:· p)
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Post by roadtonever on Sept 4, 2011 22:33:44 GMT -5
I came once across a computer with seemingly no SATA/IDE compatability options in BIOS, I checked and re-checked. After XP install sucessfully identified the SATA drives I concluded the IDE compatibility mode was default and couldn't be set any other way. If your motherboard is simmilar you should be able to proceed. But check it a second time to be sure, if you haven't already.
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Post by popsaka on Oct 25, 2011 18:07:42 GMT -5
...so after 2 pros couldn't get XP to load in the freaking thing One fellow was kind enuf to install Win7 for 40 clams and so far so good.... sorry this reply took so long and thanks again for the support (:-p)
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Post by popsaka on May 8, 2016 16:08:24 GMT -5
Hey, kids... I am so very sorry for just disappearing back in 2011. The last great love of me life passed around then (C) which prolly explains my lack of focus (to put it lightly)(;-b) I never even thanked y'all for following my rather oblique O.S. situation so diligently. (Gee wiz I just wanted to play...) ha ha ...boo hoo! Well, to wrap it up I've got win7 working soso and I'm online via my PHONE. Who would'a guessed? The only problem left is latency which, with Realtek and old Orion not accepting any sort of asio driver...(?) (tho' I shouldn't need it, really). It boils down to this question: The eMachine has only one open slot and its PCIe (which means my luvly Audigy setup gets put out to pasture) AND its low profile, unless I want to run the little monster (my computer) with no hood, (which I don't)....soooo... what is the cheapest way to go? I'm pretty sure the most basic soundblaster-esque audio processor would do the trick... Should I try to stretch a buck or is 'bout 36 clams for an SB Audigy 24bit/192khz the ticket? Thanx again, guys cheers -jonny (aka popsaka)
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Post by popsaka on May 8, 2016 16:53:12 GMT -5
ANYWAY... -still in Los Angeles, Koreatown, still like to hook up w/ someone in my area (and I will be in-digesting "that other thread") wrinkles and road wear preferred, but jail-bait cheerfully tolerated BTW, in the interim (not counting the basic 50 odd years) my own skill on the guitar (of all things) has improved more than I ever thought possible! I ain't no shredder and never will be, but I'm really enjoying it more (and eating it less) ...plus I quit smoking and pills (for the umpteenth time) and -miracles still happen- overall, I'm quite happy w/ 'it'!! ...no, really! "...is there anybody OUT there?" (besides me I mean -) Cheers
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 8:21:04 GMT -5
Hi man, as of late I am between : a) Macbook pro (I hope the company will sponsor it) b) going ubuntu studio
and getting a scralett 2i2 as a USB audio interface
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