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Post by cynical1 on Sept 4, 2022 8:22:06 GMT -5
Some of you "legacy" members here might remember Project #2. A.K.A Blue Murder. A wish list study in minor overkill... I can faintly hear chrisk rolling around as I type this... After some time with it I've discovered a few oddities...and things I should have put more thought into for practicality and usability... Here's the drawing for what I finally ended up with and wired up.  The Coil Split:Series\Parallel switching for the bridge pickup works like a charm and is surprisingly intuitive in operation. (Read as: I find it hard to screw it up when playing) The series\parallel for the neck and middle has a cool side effect. When in parallel the 5-way works as normal. When you switch to the series side of the switch it just puts the middle or neck both on together in series regardless of the 5-way switch. I grew to like that. The thing I wish I'd never asked for was the Secondary Series\Parallel Switching in the upper right hand corner. It's not that it doesn't do exactly what I asked for. When you hit this switch all three pickup immediately come to life in series...it's what I asked for...but it churns out what you'd expect to hear at a Disaster Area show... So, since I never use it...what can I do with the free switch and hole in the guitar? I'm thinking of a hoop switch for the bridge. I put one on the Mikro guitar and I like it. My concern is that I haven't opened up the back panel on this guitar in 10 years...or more... Before I tear into this thing I'd like opinions on where best to throw it in the existing maze of skinny wires. Remember, I'm just the wood butcher around here... Happy Trails - Cynical One
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Post by ashcatlt on Sept 4, 2022 11:39:06 GMT -5
I feel like it wants to be on the other side of the volume but after the other switching.
Edit - no I take that back. It can stay right we’re it is. Disconnect everything having to do with neck (/middle) and you have two wires in and two wires out and none of them are connected to shields until this switch tells them which.
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Post by cynical1 on Sept 6, 2022 12:29:24 GMT -5
Pardon the edits. My Illustrator drawings don't all play well with Inkscape...I had to use GIMP... So, I pulled out the wiring for the switch and the neck\middle stuff. The old master S/P switch is just in the middle of the diagram with nothing connected to it. My confusion still remains. With all of the other switching for the bridge, I am honestly lost with where to put this thing in the signal chain for the bridge pickup to throw it out of phase with itself...and not screw up anything for the bridge that works now. Would I be better just throwing the bridge out of phase with the neck? If so, does the coil splitting in the bridge effect the phasing? As Ozzy once said, "Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most." HTC1 |
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Post by cynical1 on Sept 9, 2022 7:34:06 GMT -5
There's a reason you pay money for Illustrator... Back to it...  I believe this variation will put the bridge out of phase with the other pickups in the guitar. I don't think this should effect the switching further upstream, but if anyone sees anything here please feel free to chime in. Happy Trails - C1 |
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Post by cynical1 on Sept 20, 2022 17:28:15 GMT -5
OK, so I did surgery today. Not what I expected... Here's where it sits now:  Originally I left the bridge on switch wired as in the previous post. Plugged it in and all I got was the bridge...if the bridge on switch was gone. So, I cut it out. Now only the bridge and bridge/middle works on the 5 way. All the bridge stuff works...I assume the phase switch works, but I can't get another pickup to talk...so, there's that... I've looked at this thing for a while now. Is it me, or the drawing? Help. HTC1 |
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Post by newey on Sept 20, 2022 18:56:50 GMT -5
Somewhere between your first drawing in this thread and the later ones, you seem to have lost the connection between the neck/middle Vol pot wiper and the output. That would explain the problem assuming it's wired exactly as per the last diagram.
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Post by cynical1 on Sept 21, 2022 4:17:37 GMT -5
Yeah, that's what I was thinking...just not seeing how to remedy it without breaking something else...
I admit to not completely understanding what the rat's maze of wires did 11 years ago when I was working the Wish List out with the forum. ChrisK, JohnH and Asmith never told me to piss off...so it eventually morphed into something well past my skill level to comprehend. Empirical is.
The S/P switch to put all 3 pickups in series was the hardest part to figure out for me. You all warned me off of that one at the time, but when JohnH figured it out I was on board with putting it in. Over time I came to understand why you all warned me off of that modification.
The first post in this series was a call for help...or a WTF do I do here moment.. When no one chimed in after posting the previous drawing I assumed all was well... I'm sure the answer is a simple one. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated...
HTC1
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Post by newey on Sept 21, 2022 5:54:54 GMT -5
Yeah, that's what I was thinking...just not seeing how to remedy it without breaking something else... Well, this is pretty complicated, so I'd like a second opinion on this. But my thinking is that, if it were not for the neck/mid series/parallel switch, you'd just connect the 2 poles of the 5 way together- one pole switches neck and middle, other pole switches the bridge. But, as you have it, the one common lug goes to the neck/mid vol pot, the other goes to the output. So, if you just connect the wiper of the Neck/mid vol pot to the other common lug on the 5-way (or just directly to the jack +), all should be well- I think. I don't see where that would screw up anything else. But let's await confirmation. And it still doesn't answer what to do with the other hole. |
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Post by cynical1 on Sept 22, 2022 9:51:19 GMT -5
So, I got up at dark o'clock and thought...I think you misunderstood Ash's post. I went back and read it again. " Disconnect everything having to do with neck (/middle)..." The rest still loses me, "...and you have two wires in and two wires out and none of them are connected to shields until this switch tells them which."I thought, hey, all I needed was that one wire... I put the headlamp on and wired this up:  I had to wait until the wife woke up to test it, but it worked. Even the phase switch. The wife is working at home in the only place I can wire it...so the BRIDGE ON switch goes back in later.
I really over thought the whole thing and wiped out the neck and middle in my zeal. "Stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?" - Will Rogers
Case closed.
HTC1
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