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Post by jdl on Apr 9, 2006 22:46:30 GMT -5
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Post by Runewalker on Apr 9, 2006 23:23:14 GMT -5
Oh yeah! Leslie West and Mountain. Must of played that album 1,000 times while stationed in northern Alaska. My 'bro in law went to see him in Pittsburgh a while back. It wasn't all just "Mountain-climbing", but some real growth in other genre's as well. Yepper doopers, ain't nuthin' like a couple of P-90's in a light weight slab mahogany body/set neck (oh wait, that WOULD be my PRS soapbar SE!!!!!!!!!!!). If I could have only one guitar, it would be thus. BTW, here's the Warmoth body that got away (it's ok, it had a vibrato). It was a little too "Stratty" for me (a semi-acoustic turned inside out). CK: I won't tell you what this dummy did to his first guitar, a real late 50's Les Paul. It makes me too sad. That PRS has possiblities. I especially like the one piece stoppiece/bridge. Like Jr. Any intonation issues, can't quite see if it has saddle adjusters. Doesn't look like it. I definitely hear you on the Strat as a closet acoustic. My assertion all along. Went there only because I can't deny Leo's Henry Ford genious of interchangable parts. But it is awfully slight in the belly. There is this Brasilian shop that sells bods made of Brasilian hardwoods on Ebay in spurts. I bought a servicable mahagony hardtail strat from them a year ago or so. At one point he was putting up the occasional Jag. I wrote him and he indicated he could config as desired. It was not as finely rendered as Warmoth. But it had the basics. That bridge on the slabbo-woody-Jag with 3 P-90s would grab like a shark. Back routing would complete the structure, but might have to put on that massive pickgaurd just for the JuJu. Get me that cowbell MissQueen! RW
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Post by Runewalker on Apr 9, 2006 23:47:25 GMT -5
Oh, James, I don't think so. Cracked neck pocket - no go, cracked wood at the bridge structure, deep enough that you can see it in those grain pix, Uh Uh. Dennis at MusicLand central has Sanatogas, his sorta private label make, made by the same factory as Tursers on his auction block weekly. He mostly is trying to move buy-it-now stuff, but always has some guitar as a loss leader to get traffic. Usually 1-2 Strats. He ships to Canada, but I do not know about the tariff stuff. That's a Canadian tariff on the citizens? Here's an alder bod up tomorrow. I would write him and ask about the pup routing. He is busy, and won't be real chatty but will usually answer your question. Be specific about the type of routing you are looking for. cgi.ebay.com/New-Sanatoga-Cherry-Solid-Alder-Strat-Electric-Guitar_W0QQitemZ7404972595QQcategoryZ113483QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemThis is where I bought a Turser for a friend, and at some point Dennis said the Sanatoga and Turser were equivalent Buy it now is around a $100, and I just looked at completed auctions and it sold as low a $50. Every now and then he'll put one of these on auction: cgi.ebay.com/Jay-Turser-Blue-Surf-Master-Electric-Guitar-FREES-H_W0QQitemZ7405324178QQcategoryZ64403QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemAnd that will require no routing, just your custom harness build, and diff pups if you don't want what are sure to be ceramics. or you can go to his website and see others: www.jayturserguitar.com/jaytuta3arp9.htmlfor example. James, I am in awe of your enthusiasm. Patience is a good thing in assembling your parts. I have not always followed that guidance, and have a closet full of unlikely to be used parts. I am slowly purging them but will eventually be left with the detritus of my over zealous lust. Definitely avoid bods or necks with structural flaws. the Word cracked or broken is usually makes for a bad buy. As I speak I am trying to rehab a warped neck that I suspect is going to end up as firewood. The perils of trying this hobby on the cheap. The Starcasters are probably plywood. Those are weird cracks, and on a sample of 2, a fail rate of 100%. I was surprised to see indiv. pup routs, however.
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Post by jdl on Apr 10, 2006 0:30:59 GMT -5
Hey rune;
Thanks for the heads up on the starcasters... i just figured it could be easily fixed, i should have realized it was a big problem.
I've always wanted something with P90's in it, ever since i tried out a few tele's with them in, so i'm gonna keep pursuing this project.
I'm gonna check out those sanatogas in the morning, and see what they offer. thanks for the all the advice.
james
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Post by jdl on Apr 10, 2006 15:19:33 GMT -5
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Post by Runewalker on Apr 10, 2006 16:15:04 GMT -5
James, that's the same link I showed you in an earlier post. I would still recommend asking Dennis at MusicLand, what the routing pattern is underneath that pickgaurd. Even it it is "swimming pool" routed, it clearly fits P90s. It obviously is channeled for wiring and switches in places you don't normally see on strats. these are the caveats I would disclose: Turser bods in my experience are very light. While I prefer a little more beef in my bods, I have to say I was still able to get randy with that lightweight body. Just a disclosure item. (There's a little resurrection of the whole tonewood thread recently) It looks to have an emulation of the Jag trem system, which I hear mixed opinions on. I have no experience with them. Fender had a trem-lock feature which may or may not be there. www.webrocker.de/jaguar/v2/index.php?page=goodies_geek&show=tremloc The pots and wiring placement will take some creativity, but it also has some more geography than Strats. If you are going for the blender you will have abit of a challenge to get 3 pots in the 2 pot space, but it prob can be done. I've seen 4PDT sliders at Mouser. So you may be able to adapt some of the switching to the pickgaurd, or You may need a custom pickguard. Or at least you may have to fab some for those chrome wings. Some folks do like the sliders though. get ready for some noise from your friends on the color, but that may make it even better. If you do the series thing, all three pups are probably going to come in at 24K - 27K Which will be pretty loud, so peel back their ears. I have looked at this a number of times myself. A big positive is no wood hogging. You can go straight to wiring. You may like the sound of pups. They will be most prob. ceramics. I don't know this Artec brand. (Dennis called them "soapbox" instead of soapbar, which would make this guitar about 13 feet long.) In terms of a modder, looks promising. The important question is what do you think?
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Post by UnklMickey on Apr 10, 2006 16:26:04 GMT -5
...I think they are from those cheap axes fender was making for walmart or something... the fender starcaster was a semi-hollowbody circa 1980. the starcaster by fender is a strat-like dropping, marketed at Sam's Club (saw one there last week, all's i can say is "what a piece of ....") so the walmart thing is just about spot on. unk EDIT: starcaster by fender is actually a line of guitars (like squier) they even have acoustics, of (no doubt) similar dubious quality.
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Post by jdl on Apr 10, 2006 16:57:18 GMT -5
Hey unk, good to hear from ya on this topic;
Sorry Rune i realized that was the same link right after i posted.(i've been looking at ALOT of guitars lately!!!). I don't mind the looks of it, but my main concern would be if i like the neck or not, and whether or not i can easily replace it, i'm pretty picky about necks. The colour doesn't bother me too much, but my fav look for guitars is natural finish so it might be interesting to sand it down and see what the wood looks like.
Also, i found a new Aria strat copy with two humbuckers and a single at a local pawn shop. And it had a mini switch which i am assuming is a coil tap.(i didn't have time to try it out though). The neck seemed nice and i think it was $250 Cdn.
So.....the search continues......
james
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Post by UnklMickey on Apr 10, 2006 18:09:01 GMT -5
Hey unk, good to hear from ya on this topic; ... Runewalker is gonna be a much more valuable resource on this sort of thread. one thing i might point out. due to the longer scale, there's a bit more distance between the neck and bridge on a strat, the "pick lanes" will be a little wider than on a Gib. with 3 P-90s, they will be a bit narrow, similar to a HSH. with 3 full sized HBs, virtually non-existant. unk
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Post by Runewalker on Apr 10, 2006 18:59:59 GMT -5
On the Turser Jag adaption, and piggybacking on Unk's note of scale, you might ask Dennis if it is a 25.5" scale. the Jags or Jazzmaster or both had an odd 24" scale, which would compromize your neck replacement intention. I doubt that Turser did the 24" but it might be good to check.
Good point on "picking lanes" Unk. I am still motor patterned to an LP. On the first strat I bought I kept picking out on the pups, and still do. Its part of my "signature sound." Clik clik.
All and all the Tuser would be the easiest to dive in, rip the guts out, and start some electronic surgery.
James:
What kind of electronic mod are you considering for the trey-P90?
RW
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Post by sumgai on Apr 10, 2006 20:21:13 GMT -5
Rune, That would be an error. The Jazzmaster always had, and still has, a 25.5" scale. The Jaguar was, and still is, Fender's only 24" scale guitar. Early student models (Bronco, Mustang, Duo-Sonic, etc.) all used a 22" scale. Fender's imports of the mid to late 90's, such as the Jagmaster, used various scales. I think I said once before that I sold one last year because it was really off-the-wall, something like 23 3/4" (I think.) Most of those imports now use the 25.5" scale, unless they're designated as "mini-Strats". They've learned their lesson. (I hope!)
sumgai
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Post by jdl on Apr 10, 2006 20:29:22 GMT -5
Hey Rune; I haven't gone too far into planning out actual schematics or anything, mostly because i've never done that before and i'm trying to further my knowledge by reading up on it as much as i can. But, so far i'm thinking regular strat switching and being able to use the neck and bridge at the same time. I would like volume and tone controls for the neck and bridge pups sorta like a LP if its possible, but i'm not really sure what to do with the middle one? ? Like i said, i'm not very well versed yet in the electronics side of things. If their is a schematic for what i described above i would be very grateful for a link, or if any of this doesn't make sense at all or is impossible please keep steering me in the right direction. James
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Post by Runewalker on Apr 10, 2006 22:38:01 GMT -5
Hey Rune; I haven't gone too far into planning out actual schematics or anything, mostly because i've never done that before and i'm trying to further my knowledge by reading up on it as much as i can. But, so far i'm thinking regular strat switching and being able to use the neck and bridge at the same time. I would like volume and tone controls for the neck and bridge pups sorta like a LP if its possible, but i'm not really sure what to do with the middle one? ? Like i said, i'm not very well versed yet in the electronics side of things. If their is a schematic for what i described above i would be very grateful for a link, or if any of this doesn't make sense at all or is impossible please keep steering me in the right direction. James Of course there is the growing compendium of well thought out, assessed and unique designs on this board, members little children: guitarnuts2.proboards45.com/index.cgi?board=schemI was thinking the new rendering by JHewitt on the Strat Lovers mod, because it is relatively easy and does what you are trying to do and more .... until you threw in that multiple volume thing. Being a devotee of that type of geographic pup mixing, I understand completly, but that is not the typical 3 pup orientation out there. The ToneMonster get you that mixing capability, with a lot more, but it may be a little ambitious for a first trial. There are a lot of folks on the board who really like the Mike Richardson scheme, but most of them are capable of reading schematics and planning there own wiring adaption. I have never seen a wiring diagram of that Richardson mod that a non-schema reader can grab and run with, but hope to someday. It also is less complex in execution, I believe. Chris K has one on one of his gallary pix (beautiful guitars CK!) So the multivolume thing will be, I suspect, hard to find for a 3 pup unit. Take a look at some of those and the ones on the original GuitarNuts site.
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Post by jdl on Apr 10, 2006 23:17:13 GMT -5
Hey guys;
I checked out the strat lovers mod, and it seems pretty cool. Maybe if i describe some of the sounds i like on my current strat it could help out a bit: I typically use the neck and middle pickups the most, and the bridge and middle with the tone rolled off a bit the second most. These two combos seem to suit what i play the best. So, correct me if i'm wrong but position 2 and 4 are parallel, right? What would be really cool is to be able to here some mp3's of some of the mods that people have done, like say pick one simple riff and repeat it on all the different positions. But, that is prolly asking too much, maybe i'll post a request over on the electronics page.
I figured having seperate volume controls would be a little out of my league right now, maybe ill try it when i have some more experience.
James
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Post by jdl on Apr 11, 2006 0:20:26 GMT -5
Hey guys;
I'm putting a post over in the electronics forum about my current plans, please check it out, and tell me if it is "do-able"
James
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Post by jdl on Apr 11, 2006 13:49:15 GMT -5
hey guys;
I'm thinking i might just get a warmoth body custom routed for this project. It might take me longer to finish, due to money issues, but at least this way i can get exactly what i want. What do you guys think?
james
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Post by sumgai on Apr 11, 2006 14:02:48 GMT -5
James, Can't hurt, except maybe your impatience to get going! sumgai
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Post by jdl on Apr 11, 2006 14:37:58 GMT -5
lol;
yea, as with everything i wish this could be over right now, and i could be enjoy my new baby!
james
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Post by dillon on Apr 30, 2006 19:19:20 GMT -5
I considered putting three P90s in one of my bodies that I built last year. Unfortunately, I don't have the tools to do anything with it right now...but I don't want to sell it, either. ;D
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