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Post by FireBall on Feb 28, 2009 10:46:32 GMT -5
Hey dudes, I have been trying to remix my little recording I did with my g-dec amp and mp3 player to try and improve the eq quality. I know that the recording is not that good, but I would like to clean it up as best as possible to send to a friend on a cd. I have used audacity to adjust the eq, but I make the bass sound like it is in a box if that makes since. I realize it ain't much to work with, but someone might can perform a miracle. ;D I was just wondering if someone would care to take a stab at it for me. I would greatly appreciate it! Here is the link of the unedited version ---> www.timecaptures.com/guitar/BluesNA.mp3 <--- |
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Post by cynical1 on Feb 28, 2009 14:17:22 GMT -5
This isn't the mix you posted earlier, is it? That one seemed to have a bit more ambiance to it. Since the instruments are already mixed it's gonna be tough re-mixing without the individual tracks. One thing you could try is running it through Izotope's Ozone. They offer demo downloads of version 3 or 4 that are fully functional for 10 days...so you could knock this song out before the plugin goes brain dead. I'm not sure if Audacity supports it, but it's worth a shot. Happy Trails Cynical One |
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Post by ashcatlt on Feb 28, 2009 14:35:49 GMT -5
I'll give it a shot when I get a chance. Don't have time right now, but it shouldn't be too long.
Keep in mind that the mp3 it will have to be decoded and then re-encoded to accomplish this. Your software might hide this process from you, but it still has to happen. Any loss (or gain of artifacts) incurred in the initial compression operation will remain, and will be compounded by those caused in the second conversion. Will probably be okay for what it sounds like you're shooting for, but thought I'd mention it.
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Post by lunaalta on Feb 28, 2009 16:39:06 GMT -5
Hi, Audacity is a great free recorder! As a mixer you might try Krystal Audio Engine (you can record with Krystal as well, of course). an excellent free audio mixer programme. The related user forum is one of the best I know, along with this one , of course. www.kristalusers.net/index.php Lots of good recording and mixing advice and a friendly bunch.... |
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Post by FireBall on Feb 28, 2009 18:13:26 GMT -5
This isn't the mix you posted earlier, is it? That one seemed to have a bit more ambiance to it. Since the instruments are already mixed it's gonna be tough re-mixing without the individual tracks. One thing you could try is running it through Izotope's Ozone. They offer demo downloads of version 3 or 4 that are fully functional for 10 days...so you could knock this song out before the plugin goes brain dead. I'm not sure if Audacity supports it, but it's worth a shot. Happy Trails Cynical One CO, that's the same mp3 that I posted before. The one that I burned to a CD, I amplified it and try to enhance with some EQ adjustment, but the result was the bass sounded like it was in a box, so when I would play the recording through a stereo, the bass had to be rolled off quite a bit. Audacity will let you adjust all frequencies, but I wasn't sure what would achieve the best results to make the recording have a better sound, I realize that I am limited with what I have as far as a recording, but I think with a little EQ adjustment by one of you guys that can select the proper frequency to adjust can probably get some good results... just don't get burned out listen to it over and over... LOL  |
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Post by lunaalta on Mar 1, 2009 11:21:07 GMT -5
Hiya fireball, I downloaded your track and ran it through Krystal (I have nothing to do with them, but it is a good prog, LOL). Krystal has 2 VST effect inputs for each channel, so, I inserted Blue Cat FreqAnalyst (frequency analyser) into the second slot, to see what the waveform looked like, then I added EQ31 (a 31 channel stereo frequency controller) into the first slot, so I could play with it a bit. Frequency wise, what I noticed was a lot of activity around 200 Hz and higher freqs rolling off. So, I, gently at first, rolled off the freqs below 300 Hz then everything below 85 Hz, to clean up the bottom end. Then, I gently sloped up the freqs above 1.8 kHz until 5 kHz and dropped back down again, to add a bit of light. I normally prefer to do the eq adjustments to each track seperately, because then you can try to put each instrument in it's own frequency slot. I usually drop out the bass guitar below about 100 Hz to keep it from muddying up the drums. Anyway, the result is here: www.javea24hrs.com/fireball/Please right click the link to download the file and listen, thanks |
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Post by newey on Mar 1, 2009 11:39:52 GMT -5
Lunaalta- Quick work! But I can't get your link to work  |
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Post by FireBall on Mar 1, 2009 12:51:47 GMT -5
The link didn't work for me either...  I'm anxious to hear it! |
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Post by lunaalta on Mar 1, 2009 14:18:23 GMT -5
Oooops, the ribs in orange bbq sauce must have addled my brains.
I'll get onto it right away....
Added: Trying to load to Soundclick
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Post by lunaalta on Mar 1, 2009 16:50:18 GMT -5
Well, I just can't seem to get this file up anywhere. My site doesn't wanna know and I can't get my head around soundclick.
Anyone have any good ideas as to accessing this file?
Added: Ahhh, I think the link works now... sorry for messing about
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Post by FireBall on Mar 1, 2009 19:46:03 GMT -5
I like it... has more separation than before and the bass doesn't sound bottle or muddy. The guitar has more crunch and stands out more! Considering it was recorded using a small mp3 player, I'm proud of it! Thanks a bunch..!
I do have a question that leads to a suggestion if it can be done. Since it is a mono recording, could you add an effect or something to lets say the right channel to give a simulated stereo effect? Maybe an effect to attenuate to the mid/high frequency so the bass and drums will be more mono sounding...
Hope you didn't get tired of listening to it!! ;D
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Post by FireBall on Mar 1, 2009 20:39:56 GMT -5
Ok, I took lunaalta's eq mix and added some reverb mostly to the right side with the right having slightly more gain also. See what you think, hope it ain't overkill... Be easier to do all this on the front end with separate tracks wouldn't it... lol Wish I had some recording equipment and some more instruments.. here is the eq'ed echo'ed version... www.timecaptures.com/guitar/bluesnaeqecho.mp3 = DON'T ATTEMPT THIS VERSION, UNLESS YOU LIKE SEWER PIPE JAM!   |
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Post by cynical1 on Mar 1, 2009 23:56:46 GMT -5
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Post by FireBall on Mar 2, 2009 11:14:01 GMT -5
OK, like I'm gonna give you like twenty thumbs up! Especially on the thump the bass has.. very cool. A lesson learned, Don't trust your head phones!!, I edited lunaalta's version last night adding in the (what I thought was) light reverb on the right channel and mixed in the left channel some also... well to the head phones, I was like.. sounds pretty good.. I was just looking to add simulated stereo effect and more ambiance... well I burned it to a disk this morning and listed to it on a big system... OH THE HORROR.. LOL I'm not a super huge reverb person, I just wanted to give it a little something... Talk about sewer pipe JAM +1 Cynical One |
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Post by cynical1 on Mar 2, 2009 12:30:40 GMT -5
Well, I'm glad you liked it. Trying to re-mix an mp3 can be problematic. As Ash mentioned previously, you have to decompress the file, play with it, then re-compress it. A lot gets lost in translation, and you're limited to what the original mix contained to a great extent. It's not unGodly expensive to record through your computer. The benefits of having control of the individual raw tracks make all the difference in the world. There are a few free recording apps available for the PC, as well as quite a few good free .vst effect plugins you can pick up to enhance the individual tracks, as well as the final mix. If you use the drum function on your amp to generate the drum track remember to convert it to a wav before you drop it into a mix and play against it. If you're planning on making more recordings down the road, this is an area you really want to spend some time researching on-line. Feel free to post any questions up in the Live Sound and Recording section. There are many more talented and experienced people then I who can help you out getting started. And when you get set up, feel free to kick in a lick or two on the Potluck Jam. I'm getting lonely there all by myself...(hint, hint...) Happy Trails Cynical One |
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I'm anxious to hear it!
