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Post by sumgai on Jun 25, 2009 14:21:57 GMT -5
Say, you wouldn't happen to have tab for "Pipeline"?  I could write the tab out by hand, from memory, of course. So the short answer is no, I don't have that particular one in my collection. Of course there is this little thingie called the innerwebs.... Oh wait: That site's a real piker!  I've got recordings by all but one of those groups, plus: Astronauts, The Avengers Bad Manners B1tch Boys, The Blue Hawaiians, The Bobby Fuller Four Brian Setzer Bruce Johnson Challengers, The Duane Eddy & Hank Marvin Gary Hoey Hank Marvin Hanoi Rocks Icepick & Chris Jake Johnson (and I don't mean Jack Johnson) Johnny Thunders Junior Brown Les Jaguars Link Wray Lively Ones, The Matthieu Laats M-Ventures, The Rough Boy Surfaris, The Surf Coasters, The The one I missed is Black Tuesday, looking for it now. Plus, Jodie Foster's Army (aka JFA) does something called Pipetruckin', aimed at skateboarders. Still the same ol' Pipeline though. And pretty good, too. Can't quit without commenting..... Murphy's Law is not Pipeline in any sense of the word, it's a vocal, and even as a punk band, they need more practice before quitting their day jobs. Extremely ditto for Sonic Youth.  sumgai p.s. Still haven't found anything on that Black Tuesday.... anybody go a line on them? EDITed to clarify my intent, and thus to remove the sting, thanks to D2o's remonstration, below.EDITed again, because a legitimate band name was censored, thus the use of haxor-leet-speek. |
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Post by D2o on Jun 25, 2009 14:37:01 GMT -5
Piker? No, no, no, sir. I was being munificent and magnanimous! Seriously, I didn't know which version would be of the most use, so I left it to newey to peruse and possibly use whatever he felt like using, that's all. |
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Post by newey on Jun 25, 2009 16:26:32 GMT -5
Criminy! What the heck did I start?
I was (half) kidding about the "Pipeline" tab. Yes, I know it's available on the web, and no, I don't expect anyone to write it out by hand!
The "half" part is that I do need tab for that, as I think I'll take that into my guitar lesson next week. So, thanks for the link.
But I wasn't really expecting anyone to supply it for me.
Actually, I may just pony up to get the sheet music w/ guitar tab from the music store. It runs about $4 per song, but I get a nice big printed version with the sheet music as well. And it's a trusted source, unlike a lot of the tab one sees out on the web.
Easier on my aged eyes, too! ;D
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Post by sumgai on Jun 25, 2009 17:10:28 GMT -5
newey, Just be aware that "trusted source" isn't always. (Another ChrisKism.) I stopped buying "the original source" because so many of them came written in odd keys (Eb instead of E, Db instead of D... WTH is up with that crap???) Check the key before you buy it, or make sure you can return it. Besides, as I learned long ago, the more you rely on what's written, the more you miss the nuances that can't be written. Not to mention, the longer it takes you to train your ear. But don't give up those lessons, learning what you can from someone else is always a good thing! sumgai |
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Post by D2o on Jun 25, 2009 17:52:07 GMT -5
newey, Just be aware that "trusted source" isn't always. (Another ChrisKism.) I stopped buying "the original source" because so many of them came written in odd keys (Eb instead of E, Db instead of D... WTH is up with that crap???) The one and only piece of music I ever bought instead of pilfer from the web was the strangest bunch of sh ... um .. shtuff. I can just ignore it for free if it's on the web, but I had to re-chord(?) the song on my own so that I could actually play it. Ergo (another ChrisKism) tabs on the web. |
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Post by newey on Jun 25, 2009 18:28:38 GMT -5
SG-
Roger that as to the keys used on some of the sheet music. And playing along with the song is always a good idea.
And I can't sight-read music worth a kyle. But it's helpful to have something to give you a tempo to go along with the tablature, if you can't have the song playing.
One way or another, though, this is the week to tackle "Pipeline". We've been working on "Badge", and I've got most of that down (except not all of EC's solo), so a new song is needed and that one seems appropriate now.
BTW- My Avatar at 5°F? I was playing "Walk Don't Run". Good advice on a frozen beach.
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Post by sumgai on Jun 28, 2009 4:41:23 GMT -5
newey, Not to get ahead of the game or anything, but if you're looking to improve your playing, you might check out this young lady on YouTube. BTW, see if your instructor knows the correct ending chord for Pipeline. Not very many players know it, and the sheet music I've seen usually gets it wrong. Even The Ventures got it wrong! It takes a good ear to hear it. Let us know how he/she tests out. If he/she says "it's just an Em", then I say (this is an audio link, click to listen)sumgai |
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Post by cynical1 on Jun 28, 2009 8:08:27 GMT -5
Not to drag this thread in another direction, but I caught a comment from newey about tabs being hard on the eyes. Let me recommend one of the best software purchases I've made. Guitar Pro 5The price has gone up a bit since I picked up my copy, but for $59.00 this is one extremely versatile little music tool. The availability and quality of tabs written for GP have increased as well. So have the number of site offering tabs for download. For example, this is just one link for the Ventures version of Pipeline. It contains the tab and notation for two lead parts, rhythm, bass and drums. You can play the song with the RSE sound engine driver and have a fairly good representation of the tune. You can edit the song, transpose at will and print the individual parts out in tab\notation for more youthfully challenged eyes... You can also export the .gp5 tab to MIDI and drop it into your favorite mixing/sequencing app and make a backing track. If anyone remembers the "BACKING TRACK NEEDED" thread this is how I did the backing track on "London Kid" for glynnk. We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread...BTW, my personal favorite is the one from Gary Hoey... Happy Trails Cynical One |
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Post by newey on Jun 28, 2009 8:45:27 GMT -5
Cyn-
Apparently, one has to have GP4 to open that file you linked to. I tried to use Notepad, etc to open it and got gobbleygook.
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Post by cynical1 on Jun 28, 2009 9:19:09 GMT -5
Yes, you have to have Guitar Pro to open the file...sorry... You can grab a demo version of Guitar Pro that gives you 15 days to see if you like it. I highly recommend it. Happy Trails Cynical One |
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Post by newey on Jun 28, 2009 11:05:57 GMT -5
SG challenged: My instructor is a jazz guy, so I doubt he knows it apart from whatever's on the tab I give him. On the original version from the Chantays, it sounds like the final chord is on the piano part- if there's a final guitar chord in there I can't hear it. One tab I saw has the chord as Em barred on the 7th fret, with the pinkie adding a high E on the 12th. Bit of a reach, if that's what SG was referring to. This video of Dick Dale and Stevie Ray Vaughan is big fun- including clips of Gilligan, Pee Wee Herman and a cast of many. EDIT: And, I see where several of the tabs, for the intro, specify "kick reverb tank". So, not having one, I guess I can't be totally authentic anyway! Funny, no one seems to have come up with a tab symbol for "kick reverb tank". I'd suggest that it should be written as: "K^-^-^-^-" |
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Post by sumgai on Jun 28, 2009 12:39:45 GMT -5
newey, In the main, the ending chord is Em9. The exact fingering is to use a first-position Em, then shift the D-string 2 nd fret up to the 4 th fret. Think of doing the standard shuffle rhythm (as found in Honky Tonk) on the B chord, and your fingers will fall into place. The fact that most groups don't get it doesn't detract from the tune in the least, but it does add a bit of jazz flavoring to an otherwise prosaic tune. Oddball endings are one of my most favorite musical expressions - can't you tell? The sad part is, while searching for something entirely unrelated to music at all, I found a Pipeline tab that I d/l'ed years ago. Don't know why, but I confess - I lied!   Seems like you're past needing that though..... As for a favorite version, I'm a bit schizo - traditional sounding, it'd have to be The Astronauts. Modern stylings, the nod goes to Agent Orange. JFA's Pipetruckin' gets an honorable mention. In the extreme, I'm gonzo nuts about not abusing one's reverb unit. First, these things cost serious money, as you well know. That goes for repairing them too. Second, Leo didn't build them to be kicked, so there's absolutely no damage prevention or protection of any sort. Not just the tank itself, but the tubes might work their way of their sockets, and various other parts can come loose. All in all, a losing proposition if I ever saw one. Third, the resultant sound just isn't what's expected, except maybe on Wipeout - certainly not on Pipeline. Call me a stick-in-the-mud if you must, but there's a reason why Dick Dale suspends his reverb unit from a framework.... and it ain't for generating tasty tones! However, it is your money, so you can do with it whatever you wish. Pay no attention to the little man behind the curtain - he always cringes like that!  HTH sumgai |
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Post by newey on Jun 28, 2009 13:50:11 GMT -5
Well, if a had a spare few hundreds laying around, I'd have one- and I wouldn't be kicking it!
Slapping the side of my Frontman, on a stand, seems to give a fair approximation, however. And I could buy 4 or 5 of those for what a RI Reverb costs!
Throwing in a jazz-style chord at the end seems to be a bit of a surf trademark. "Sleepwalk" has one as well, although I guess that's not, strictly speaking, a surf tune.
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Post by sumgai on Jun 28, 2009 18:04:08 GMT -5
newey, While I was speaking to you for the most part, I was also speaking to anyone else reading here..... The "your money" pertains to everyone, not just you. Have you considered doing it yourself? Raw reverb tanks are only about $35 to $40 you know.....  Or howzabout a kit? sumgai |
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Post by newey on Jun 28, 2009 20:04:32 GMT -5
I have considered it. But I'd have a steep learning curve as I've never done any sort of tube circuit wiring. I'd probably need to do a more basic type of project first.
And there's the issue of time to put into it. Might take me the better part of a year to do, at the rate some of my projects are going!
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Post by ChrisK on Jun 28, 2009 20:42:15 GMT -5
Well, you could build a three-knob Fender '63 reverb unit. Used these are about $500. My Allen Encore is a two-knob reverb that I'll convert to three knob (level, tone, and will add dwell - tank drive).
The Blues Jr reverb circuit is OP AMP based (it's not a real tube amp, it's not a real tube amp...).
The reverb drive on a Fender tube amp is a dandy class A output amp itself (especially the 6V6 in the '63 - about 1/2 to 1 watt). You do need the proper output transformer maybe.
A digital reverb is probably fine as well.
As sumgai indicates, one can get a new Accutronics tank for under $50.
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Post by newey on Jun 28, 2009 22:15:41 GMT -5
Some time ago, I posted a link (which I can't now find) to the Ebay store of a guy who sells a kit to convert an Epi Valve Jr to a stand-alone reverb unit. The Kit was about $100 and included the tank, plus an EVJ for about $130. But he did not claim it to be an easy conversion.
It's not as if I'm doing without reverb. The spring reverb on my SS Fender amp is decent. I have a whole array of various reverbs available digitally, on my Digitech processor. These sound, well, digital.
After listening to a lot of stuff using the Real Deal, however, there is a real difference.
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Post by sumgai on Jun 28, 2009 22:56:44 GMT -5
newey, Some time ago, I posted a link (which I can't now find) to the Ebay store of a guy who sells a kit to convert an Epi Valve Jr to a stand-alone reverb unit. The Kit was about $100 and included the tank, plus an EVJ for about $130. But he did not claim it to be an easy conversion. I'm not sure if you posted for the General Membeship, but you did send it to me, which is still in my Inbox.... here ya go! Bitmo Reverb Conversion on an Epi Valve Jr. HTH sumgai p.s. And you're correct - once you've tasted the Real Reverb, you'll never again be satisifed with that greasy kid stuff. ;D |
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Post by newey on Jun 28, 2009 23:47:27 GMT -5
Ah, no wonder I couldn't find it!
I see he now also has a kit to add a digital reverb chip to the EVJ, too, for those who might want to use one as an amp or something.
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I've got recordings by all but one of those groups, plus:
Seems like you're past needing that though.....
Or howzabout a kit?
