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Post by dunkelfalke on Dec 4, 2009 5:21:08 GMT -5
Hello forum
is there a mount for two single coils to fit into a humbucker ring (or a humbucker ring for two single coils)?
Thanks in advance
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Post by ijustwannastrat on Dec 4, 2009 18:39:08 GMT -5
If you find one, feel free to share...
I could have sworn I saw one a month or two ago, but I am unsure. I know I saw a website that had HB size mounts for SC.
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Post by dunkelfalke on Dec 5, 2009 5:16:53 GMT -5
Found a couple of them for a single single coil, but not for two of them.
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Post by newey on Dec 5, 2009 9:20:19 GMT -5
I don't recall ever seeing such a thing. If they exist, they're certainly not common.
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Post by cynical1 on Dec 5, 2009 11:26:03 GMT -5
How good are you with a router and jig saw?
Actually, depending on the guitar it may just be some pickguard routing and some hole drilling.
I doubt anyone does this as a standard, as the demand is next to nil, but from a design application perspective it makes a lot of sense.
I don't know what they offer as far as finished hardwood in Germany, but in the states you can get some oak or maple stock planed to 1/4" that would work perfectly.
The biggest drawback would be making sure there is enough room for the tab on the wired side of the pickup base. The Kent Armstrong rail pickup I have doesn't suffer from this and would work great for this application.
Are you looking to actually do this, or is this just an intellectual investigation?
Happy Trails
Cynical One
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Post by sumgai on Dec 5, 2009 13:26:35 GMT -5
dunk, Not to say that it's never been done, it probably has, but I've never seen one for sale on the innerwebs. I think the problem is going to be that most single-coil pups are appreciably larger around than most coils found in most humbuckers. Stuffing two of them side-by-side into an area designed for only the two smaller coils might be a bit tough. Another consideration is that pretty much all of the humbuckers I've ever seen have very slim non-magnetic pole pieces, depending on one or more magnets mounted underneath to provide the magnetic field. Opposed to that is the more-or-less standard single coil pup that does have magnetic pole pieces. Stuffing two of them up tight next to each other might have unwanted tonal effects..... one would have to experiment, to be sure. But if you think this will work (or you've seen it working on another guitar), and if you're not married to the idea of keeping your guitar pristine, then you could modify it as noted by c1 (just above).... that should turn more than a few heads, as they realize that you're not holding a stock, standard axe.  HTH sumgai |
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Post by cynical1 on Dec 5, 2009 14:56:41 GMT -5
Or...you could take two mini humbucker pickups and create your own motherbucker pickups...
With eight wires coming out the possibilities are staggering...
And with four pickups paired off that could give you even more confusion...
And the rail pickups wouldn't be effected by pole alignment...
This gives me motivation for a third guitar project...sans funds...
Happy Trails
Cynical One
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Post by dunkelfalke on Dec 11, 2009 11:23:01 GMT -5
But if you think this will work (or you've seen it working on another guitar), and if you're not married to the idea of keeping your guitar pristine, then you could modify it as noted by c1 (just above).... the idea works fine, here is the proof:  one of them is RWRP so it works like a splittable humbucker, but made of real single coil pickups (Hohner Entwhistle White ATX). They aren't that hot, though. 3.73 kOhm neck and 3.82 kOhm each of the bridge ones. unfortunately i suck when it comes to handcraft - i am already happy that they taught me soldering at my last job, i sucked at that, too, before. |
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Post by dunkelfalke on Dec 11, 2009 11:24:02 GMT -5
Or...you could take two mini humbucker pickups and create your own motherbucker pickups... With eight wires coming out the possibilities are staggering... And with four pickups paired off that could give you even more confusion... I think that would be too much output for a bass guitar ;D |
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Post by dunkelfalke on Dec 11, 2009 11:44:16 GMT -5
Are you looking to actually do this, or is this just an intellectual investigation? I'd do that I could buy a ready made humbucker ring for two single coils, but I won't route my bass by myself. Drilling a hole or two for a pot shaft is pretty much all I am capable off. |
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Post by sumgai on Dec 11, 2009 14:14:04 GMT -5
dunk, That photo shows two SC pickups side-by-side alright, but they are obviously mounted in a hole that was enlarged to contain them, and there's no mounting ring. I was referring to your desire to mount them within a mounting ring meant for a standard-sized humbucker, which was your original question - have you ever seen that done on either a six string or a bass. I seem to recall, very dimly now, that back when I first got thrown intojoined the NutzHouse, there was a discussion on the same thing as you're now asking. Sadly, as is known by all, the Search function only goes back not quite 3 years, and the discussion I think happened would have been well before that time. One would have to patiently go through every thread, one by one, and manually examine them. I think I'll have to beg off on that one, if you don't mind.  Perhaps someone with better google-fu than myself can help out here.....  HTH sumgai |
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Post by dunkelfalke on Dec 12, 2009 4:57:41 GMT -5
Ah, now I see what you mean. Anyway, these single coils do fit into the humbucker hole
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Post by dunkelfalke on Dec 12, 2009 18:51:05 GMT -5
cynical1: your words just kept ringing in my head, so i took an electric drill, widened the humbucker hole a bit (ugly mess, but this was the only tool available), took an old soldering iron and used it to melt some holes in the standard humbucker mounting ring (also a mess and it stinks but it is the easiest way) and now i've done it   thanks for giving me the kick in the butt i always need to finally start doing something. |
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Post by sumgai on Dec 12, 2009 20:19:32 GMT -5
dunk, Great job! +1 for you. Be careful, if Google brings other people here in search of the same thing, you might get asked to start making them for other players.  ;D sumgai |
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Post by dunkelfalke on Dec 12, 2009 20:35:07 GMT -5
I think best solution would be something like two small metal stripes with three holes in each. The two outer holes are for screwing the single coils to the stripe (probably best from below) and the hole in the middle would be for the mounting screw which goes through a spring to the mounting ring.
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Post by ux4484 on Dec 12, 2009 21:05:16 GMT -5
Nice job dunk.
+1 for a daring job (and unconventional tools) on an axe without a guard.
You've shown that Bass before, but the finish never jumped out at me like in this picture, very nice.
soOOooo..... how's the sound?
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Post by dunkelfalke on Dec 13, 2009 9:53:07 GMT -5
The sound is great - clear and loud in the single coil mode, absolutely not weak or treibly, but really evil and badass as a humbucker. Those Entwhistle Whites are nice in a strat, but in a bass they really shine.
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;D