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Post by Ripper on Apr 8, 2008 9:55:08 GMT -5
Gents...
Has anyone ever heard of using gun oil on unfinished guitar necks?
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Gun Oil
Apr 8, 2008 11:16:02 GMT -5
Post by D2o on Apr 8, 2008 11:16:02 GMT -5
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Apr 8, 2008 12:50:27 GMT -5
Post by newey on Apr 8, 2008 12:50:27 GMT -5
Hey Deep- Do you mean the lubricating oil used to keep the metal parts from corroding or do you mean the oil used for finishing the wooden stock, grip, etc? If it's the latter, there was a recent thread on the use of "Tru-oil" which is the stuff used on gun stocks- I believe it's a brand name. I've heard of lots of folks using that on guitars and on necks, with generally positive experiences. EDIT:Here's the link I was thinking of: guitarnuts2.proboards45.com/index.c.cgi?board=repair&action=display&thread=1199898882BTW, why the new Avatar, Deep?
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Apr 8, 2008 15:03:49 GMT -5
Post by Ripper on Apr 8, 2008 15:03:49 GMT -5
Thanks guys... I now have a Peavey HP Special. It comes with an unfinished neck. I do need to keep it from drying out though. I was told gun oil...I thought id ask you guys first.
That isnt me in the avatar photo....anyone want to guess who it is? lol
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Apr 8, 2008 15:12:15 GMT -5
Post by D2o on Apr 8, 2008 15:12:15 GMT -5
Thanks guys... I now have a Peavey HP Special. It comes with an unfinished neck. I do need to keep it from drying out though. I was told gun oil...I thought id ask you guys first. That isnt me in the avatar photo....anyone want to guess who it is? lol I cheated, but it sure looks like
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Apr 8, 2008 18:36:18 GMT -5
Post by Ripper on Apr 8, 2008 18:36:18 GMT -5
DD482.... Well done! Most people wouldnt know Ace without his makeup... That was taken in the mid 1970's when it was taboo to take his pic without his war paint.
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Apr 8, 2008 19:07:00 GMT -5
Post by cynical1 on Apr 8, 2008 19:07:00 GMT -5
blue -
I've got a neck I'm building up myself, and although the oil is easier, it probably isn't something you want to do for the long haul.
Warmoth puts it best:
"All our necks are dipped in an oil based penetrating sealer which is compatible with virtually all secondary finishes. This provides enhanced stability; however, it is not adequate protection for playing. We strongly recommend you apply a hard finish to all Maple, Mahogany, and Koa necks. Oils do not validate our warranty requirements.
We understand the attraction of raw or lightly oiled necks. They feel fast and are not sticky. Unfortunately, they are much more susceptible to moisture related warping and twisting. Our experience is that hard finished necks seldom warp. Less than 1 out of 200 (0.5%) are returned for warpage. Raw or oiled necks don't fare as well. About 10% are rendered useless from the torture. The more acidic your perspiration, the higher the odds are against you.
If you must play a raw neck, that's cool; it's ok. A neck is just a tool. Just be aware of the risk. If yours does the pretzel act, we don't want to hear about it."
...and I can see why he wore the makeup...
Happy Trails
Cynical1
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Apr 9, 2008 17:02:02 GMT -5
Post by Ripper on Apr 9, 2008 17:02:02 GMT -5
cynical1... Thanks for the heads up... Problem is, that the way these necks come...Unfinished. Ill have to clean it at some point. I dont want to use the wrong product on the guitar. Peavey says lemon oil, others are telling me gun oil. I suppose I should do what Peavey says. Its just I hear the gun oil will darken the wood a little. I thought that would look cool.
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Apr 9, 2008 18:36:06 GMT -5
Post by cynical1 on Apr 9, 2008 18:36:06 GMT -5
blue -
If I really felt oil was the way to go, I agree, follow Peavey's advice. I'd make sure they warranty an oiled neck before you put it on. Pretty much impossible to go back after the oil is on the neck.
Something about using gun oil, an oil designed for metal, on wood strikes me as a bad idea...maybe not as bad as linseed oil in the crankcase...but it just seems misapplied...
I'll probably use an acrylic lacquer on the neck as it's a tougher finish then nitro, but not as sticky as poly. Granted, having to file it back off the frets can be a pain, but when it's done I don't have to worry about it for quite some time.
Good luck whichever way you go.
Happy Trails
Cynical1
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Apr 9, 2008 20:15:56 GMT -5
Post by ChrisK on Apr 9, 2008 20:15:56 GMT -5
Gun oil as in gun stock oil. It works fine on expensive gun stocks that go out in the wet. Lemon oil is for treating rosewood fret boards. Unless your guitar has a neck cold, I wouldn't depend on it for protection. Carvin has no issue with a tung oil neck finish. I don't know one way or the other. I've noticed that a neck with a satin finish is real near the cost of an exotic wood neck that requires no finish. Hmmmm, I guess that I just order exotic wood necks since I NEVER can get around to applying a finish on maple necks. guitarnuts2.proboards45.com/index.c.cgi?board=repair&action=display&thread=1199898882
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Apr 9, 2008 20:19:31 GMT -5
Post by sumgai on Apr 9, 2008 20:19:31 GMT -5
All, ChrisK has used nothing beyond the sealer on some of his Warmoth necks, those that are generally a much harder species than maple. Ask him what he thinks of them, after a few years. And I'd check with Warmoth a little more closely...... while they say, pretty much outright, "no oil", what they really mean is "no non-finish grade oil". Using a boiled linseed oil (tung oil) is generally considered a good finish, it's both hard (resists most dings and such) and weatherproof. Spar varnish is another good finish, although I personally think it's too rough, after it's dried. It would need a lot of coats, with lots of steel-wooling between each one. But there's no way a neck is gonna warp from humidity or any such, with that applied! HTH sumgai
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Apr 9, 2008 20:28:34 GMT -5
Post by ChrisK on Apr 9, 2008 20:28:34 GMT -5
Yeah, and there's always that polyurethane deck finish stuff............. Yes, these are the woods that require no finish. The completely unfinished Padouk Caster has been fine for some time.
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Apr 9, 2008 21:28:20 GMT -5
Post by lpf3 on Apr 9, 2008 21:28:20 GMT -5
Hi Deep- Here's my 2 pennies worth . I agree with ChrisK not to depend on lemon oil for much protection. Also with sumgai about the tung oil , which is a nice finish easily applied & a few coats polishes up real nice . How about Watco oil, they make a natural and a dark & seems lighter ( to the touch ) & might leave a more satin finish . Always practice on scrap BTW , (late ) congrats on the Yngwie strat. Personally I think Fender Vintage White is a very cool color. Enjoy
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Apr 9, 2008 22:11:59 GMT -5
Post by Ripper on Apr 9, 2008 22:11:59 GMT -5
lpf3... How could you tell that was a Malmsteen? Was it the Dimarzio name on the pups? Im impressed! lol
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Apr 9, 2008 23:44:08 GMT -5
Post by lpf3 on Apr 9, 2008 23:44:08 GMT -5
Deep, Hey that's the kind of guy I am , man . I really stay on top of this stuff so I can , well ..........ummmmmm... Ok, even if I could read the Dimarzio name on the pups I wouldn't know that meant it's a Malmsteen ;D You posted that you got it back on mar. 24 ;D And then I was lo louder while I was looking for that post thinkin' oh gawd I said somethig dumb again ;D So feel free to be impressed I really do like your guitar(s) -lpf3
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Apr 10, 2008 18:48:50 GMT -5
Post by crazymanandy on Apr 10, 2008 18:48:50 GMT -5
That isnt me in the avatar photo....anyone want to guess who it is? lol Guess I was way off. First thing I said when I looked at it, "I know I've seen that chick somewhere!" CMA
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Apr 11, 2008 7:57:38 GMT -5
Post by Ripper on Apr 11, 2008 7:57:38 GMT -5
Ya, Ace wouldnt have made a very pretty woman! lol
Thanks for the tips fellas. I must tread lightly with this subject. I love the feel of an unfinished neck, but they are a high fuss beast.
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Apr 15, 2008 13:00:21 GMT -5
Post by D2o on Apr 15, 2008 13:00:21 GMT -5
I just stumbled across this on another site - what do you think?
He goes on to say
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Apr 15, 2008 13:12:42 GMT -5
Post by crazymanandy on Apr 15, 2008 13:12:42 GMT -5
Super glue has often been used as a grain filler, but I've never heard of it being used as the finish itself. I don't know how well it would or wouldn't work.
CMA
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Apr 15, 2008 15:40:13 GMT -5
Post by quarry on Apr 15, 2008 15:40:13 GMT -5
When I do "paint chip" repairs to guitars (especially the new ones, with a poly clear coat), I use super glue as the final clear coat. I sand it with 600, 800, 1000, and 1500 grit, and you can't see it from the poly...
I got the idea from Dan Erlewine's book...
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