hoohoo
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Post by hoohoo on May 7, 2012 3:07:49 GMT -5
Hi, Im building a Jazzmaster with a jaguar pickup configuration and pickgaurd setup. I am pretty confused re wiring and how to do it. I bought some Lace Hemi pickups, I have no wiring for a jaguar, and will have to buy the pots, capacitors switches etc... which is cool. But I dont even have a wiring diagram that shows how to wire Lace Hemis into this setup. PLease if anyone can help me, Id be grateful. I have the Jaguar wiring plans, but my pick ups look like they have more wires coming out of them that the standard pickups. Yes I dont really know much about this, all I know is what I want, the rest is a learning curve. If anyone can help with a diagram and any info on the pots n capacitors and that sort of thing , Id be very grateful. Thanks for your time, even for just reading this. )
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Post by yakkmeister on May 7, 2012 4:53:45 GMT -5
So ... sounds like those come with a cd that has a bunch of wiring diagrams on it... Have you got that? What do they have in there?
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Post by newey on May 7, 2012 5:27:00 GMT -5
hoohoo- Hello and Welcome to G-Nutz2! Here's a wiring diagram (courtesy of SD) for the stock Jaguar wiring. Note that the neck and bridge pickups are not identical, and can be distinguished by their "hot" wire colors (yellow for the neck, white for the bridge) You will need to "transpose" the wiring colors for the Lace Hemis to those of the diagram. That's because the Hemis are humbuckers, as opposed to the regular single-coil Jaguar pickups. You will need to confirm for us what the wire colors of the Hemis are. Most Lace Humbuckers are wired as follows. (But I don't know if the wire colors are the same for the Hemis): Green wire- is the shield, and is always grounded. Orange wire- to "Hot" output White wire and Orange/Black wire are the series coil junction- connected together unless you are splitting the coils. Black/white wire to ground. Since you indicate you want to use the std. Jaguar wiring, there wouldn't be any coil splitting going on, since the original pups are single coils. So, the above should suffice if the wire colors match up. Also note that the SD diagram of the original wiring (which I am assuming is correct, I haven't double-checked it yet) shows the use of 1MΩ pots for both Vol and Tone. That's very much a "vintage spec" for pots. I don't know for sure, but I'd be willing to bet that Fender's newer humbucker-equipped Jags use 500K pots, that's more standard nowadays. If you do so, you would also lose the 56K resistor across the tone pot. I can't read the value of the tone capacitor on the diagram, looks like .01µf. Again, that may change due to the use of humbuckers instead. Up to you what cap value you use (within an appropriate range), but .047 is more usually used for HBs.
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Post by hoohoo on Jun 12, 2012 5:42:18 GMT -5
Hey man, sorry for the long time to reply. Ive been flat out.
I didnt realise the hemis could be split. Oh man, thatd be great.!
Now Ive kinda got everything together I will have the body back from being painted in about 3 weeks.
I think if I could get a wiring diagram which allowed the splitting, itd be great. I will the colours of the hemi wires when I get home.
The pickups came with a disc, but if I slide it into my Mac, it wont come out, its one of those tiny ones., really useless. :-(
Again, thanks for your time man, I appreciate it.
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Post by newey on Jun 12, 2012 6:16:40 GMT -5
My guess is that the disc probably has the same diagrams as the ones on Lace's website. There is one that shows how to split a Lace HB, but as I said before, I'm not sure the wire colors of the Hemi are the same. You will need to confirm the wire colors before we can move forward much further. If you want to split the hemis you will need a switch to do so. That means either adding an extra switch (which could be a push/pull on one of your pots), or "re-purposing" one of the existing Jaguar switches (which means you won't have the stock Jag wiring and will have to give something up). If you want to be able to split both pickups independently, you'll need two separate switches. So, if it's splits you want, the first question is whether you would want to just split one of the two pickups (single pole switch needed), split both simultaneously (one double pole switch needed), or both independently (2 switches). It is also possible to be able to choose which coil is to be split (N coil / Both / S coil) on one or both pickups, or also to do series /parallel /split coil setups; these things require three-position switches and represent a step up in complexity. So before we can help with a diagram, we need to know exactly what you want to do, and the wire colors. No one wants to draw up a diagram only to have you decide you want something different . . .
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Post by darkavenger on Jun 12, 2012 13:20:37 GMT -5
From a fellow Jag owner/builder... a few suggestions. First off, the original set of switches allow you to switch back and forth between two tone settings. Personally, I don't think it's a very useful feature and there are better things you can do with the switching space. Let me put out a few options to explore. First up is the upper control plate's 2 mini pots. The obvious options would be to use them for a Volume/Tone for the top pickup, but in my current setup I use them as spin-a-splits for each pickup. This acts much like switching a split but allows you to fade a coil out partially as well. I use the switch in the upper control plate to control the upper pickup. The control plate with three switches has a lot of potential. I use one switch to control the lower pickup and the other two as series/parallel. I'd like to point out a cool little trick I use since both pickups operate on independent DPDT switches, binary switching Binary Tree SwitchingUsing this, I'm able to have more pickup combinations and eliminate the off/off which is useless to me. In my setup I have on/on, on/off, off/on, out of phase on/on Then the jack control plate's pots serve as master volume/tone. Really there is a LOT you could do with the setup, hope this helps!
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Post by hoohoo on Jun 13, 2012 2:23:25 GMT -5
wow... so many options..
I will heed neweys' advice. i will decide what I really want and then post that with the pickup colours etc....
Then I will get online and buy the bits, pick up some Beers and go visit my friend who is good at soldering and stuff and ask him to wire it all for me.
Thanks sooo much for the help.
I will also think about what darkavenger said with all the options. I think essentiall Id like to keep it reasonably simple, but theres some nice options.
Thanks guys.
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Post by ChristoMephisto on Jun 13, 2012 8:59:40 GMT -5
Did some wiring diagrams for a Jag to get series/parallel options, including to either keep the 'strangle' switch or replace it. The ideas are not new, but drawn for the Jag. Don't remeber putting that much work into it, but guess i did... guitarnuts2.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=modules&action=display&thread=5545Darkavenger's idea about the pot spliting the humbuckers is good Or you do have two humbuckers, four pots, and four switches you could wire it up as a JP LP....just sayin'
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