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Post by sumgai on Dec 4, 2012 20:57:08 GMT -5
(Found on another forum:) You know you live in a Country run by idiots if... - You can get arrested for expired tags on your car but not for being in the country illegally. - Your government believes that the best way to eradicate trillions of dollars of debt is to spend trillions more of our money. - A seven year old boy can be thrown out of school for calling his teacher "cute" but hosting a sexual exploration or diversity class in grade school is perfectly acceptable. - The Supreme Court of the United States can rule that lower courts cannot display the 10 Commandments in their courtroom, while sitting in front of a display of the 10 Commandments. - Children are forcibly removed from parents who appropriately discipline them while children of "underprivileged" drug addicts are left to rot in filth infested cesspools of a "home". - Hard work and success are rewarded with higher taxes and government intrusion, while slothful, lazy behavior is rewarded with EBT cards, WIC checks, Medicaid, subsidized housing, and free cell phones. - The government's plan for getting people back to work is to provide 99 weeks of unemployment checks (to not work). - Being self-sufficient is considered a threat to the government. - Politicians think that stripping away the amendments to the constitution is really protecting the rights of the people. - The rights of the Government come before the rights of the individual. - You pay your mortgage faithfully, denying yourself the newest big screen TV while your neighbor defaults on his mortgage (while buying iPhones, TV's and new cars) and the government forgives his debt and reduces his mortgage (with your tax dollars). - Being stripped of the ability to defend yourself makes you "safe". - You have to have your parents signature to go on a school field trip but not to get an abortion. - An 80 year old woman can be stripped searched by the TSA but a Muslim woman in a burka is only subject to having her neck and head searched. - Using the "N" word is considered "hate speech" but writing and singing songs about raping women and killing cops is considered "art". - You can write a post like this just by reading the news headlines. Unfortunately, this list could go on and on. Our country is run by idiots. We are in deep uprooted kimchee - where do we go from here? 
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Post by cynical1 on Dec 5, 2012 3:54:45 GMT -5
In Government, process is their only product...and they will allow no progress to impede their process.
HTC1
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2012 5:29:14 GMT -5
- Children are forcibly removed from parents who appropriately discipline them while children of "underprivileged" drug addicts are left to rot in filth infested cesspools of a "home". Man, i have heard that this happens in Europe (Greece is not europe in that aspect). The state takes the children if a parent slaps them in public. Ok, beating children does not work in the long term, it denotes inefficient paedagogical methods, but between this and taking your children away there is a great distance ... This sucks... |
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Post by arx300 on Dec 5, 2012 6:53:23 GMT -5
My country is run by idiots.
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Post by asmith on Dec 5, 2012 7:33:06 GMT -5
I disagree with a lot of this.
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Post by gumbo on Dec 5, 2012 7:37:11 GMT -5
Unfortunately, we know our country is run by idiots, without having to ask ourselves all those questions.....  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2012 8:56:40 GMT -5
Unfortunately, we know our country is run by idiots, without having to ask ourselves all those questions..... That is a general thing. Almost everywhere ppl are against their gvmts. (when in "democratic" theory they were elected by the public, right?). Which can only mean that gvmts are all puppets and being controlled by someone/<turn_conspiracy_bit_on>something</turn_conspiracy_bit_off> else ;D |
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Post by cynical1 on Dec 5, 2012 13:14:24 GMT -5
...Almost everywhere ppl are against their gvmts. (when in "democratic" theory they were elected by the public, right?). Which can only mean that gvmts are all puppets and being controlled by someone/<turn_conspiracy_bit_on>something</turn_conspiracy_bit_off> else ;D Man, don't get me started... Smedly Butler put it quite succinctly when he said, "I spent 33 years in the Marines. Most of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism". Read his "War is a Racket" speeches...70+ years has not chipped a bit of truth away from them. Everyone has a theory, I am no different in that regard. If history is any teacher then a quick trip back to Italy in the 15th century and the Medici lead you to the seed where the bitter fruit of our current discontent stems from. They were the first ones to realize that war was a racket, and they made quite a bit of hay from that realization. The banks and financial institutions of every machination over the centuries have been the 800 pound gorilla in the rooms of power. The exponential growth and power of these institutions has allowed them to use government(s) as a tool in externalizing duties and tasks to enhance their reach and control...as well as making incomprehensible profits. So, this boils it down to centralized power being a necessary evil for the financial industrial complex to expand. Corporations cannot wage war, but representative governments and monarchies can. Monarchies are fickle. Elected representative governments are much easier to manipulate. Financing war is profitable, as history has shown time and time again, and you need governments to perform this duty. Hence the proliferation of representative forms of government over monarchies. Better for business. The monarchies in Europe at the beginning of the 20th century were the last blast in that theater of operation. As western civilization advanced speculators realized you could turn a profit without war. For example, land speculation makes for a much more stable environment to operate in. This works best in a representative government model as it allows for the individual to buy and sell property at will without the tedious interference from a monarchy. Granted, John Law bilked the monarchy in land speculation...but that ended badly for just about everyone but Monroe... The current turmoil surrounding oil speculation is the best example of private concerns externalizing risks. I don't recall seeing too many corporate headquarters in Iraq, but I did see a lot of men in government uniforms assuming the risk. We are now in an age where government exists to service and promote debt. International financial institutions over leverage governments to create indentured States. Brazil can't meet it's debt obligations, so the IMF encourages them to privatize their natural resources to service the debt...then lends the money to the private concerns that extract and pillage said resources. Similar scenarios repeat themselves in Ireland, Spain, Greece, Italy... Granted, this is a gross oversimplification of the issue, but this is a guitar mod site and I do have to go to work today... The lesson to take away is that if you don't like your government there really isn't a damn thing you can do about it. They are not the ultimate power in the equation. The drones you elect in the hope of making things better are just cookie cutter "electable" servants of a higher master. Elections these days serve the purpose of deluding you into believing you are engaged in the system. Your only true engagement in the system is your ability to accumulate and service debt. One way to extinguish a fire is to remove the fuel source. Using this analogy, if you want to extinguish the grasp of the financial industrial complex on your daily lives then remove their fuel. Stop servicing debt. Your taxes service debt. Your mortgage services debt. Your car payment, boat payment, charge cards, etc. all service debt. It is a commodity just as corn and wheat is a commodity. If we all just stop servicing this debt then the system as we know it today collapses. Then you can get on with the business of a true representative system of the people, by the people and for the people. But that's not going to happen. So just be good little sheep and continue to vote for a government that you have no faith or voice in. Giovanni would be proud. C1 |
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Post by sumgai on Dec 5, 2012 13:37:20 GMT -5
Holy Jeebus, c1, who compounded your meds this morning? 
For everyone else, I can summarize c1's contribution in three words, rant-mode not needed: Follow The Money. And IMO, while everything he said is true (meaning, it's provable beyond rational doubt), I think the problem goes back much further in History than the 15th century. If you stop thinking of money (coinage) as the central unit of a man's worth, and recall that up until then it was Land, as in acres/hectares of dirt, then you can easily conclude that monarchies also practiced "War is Prosperity". Wars were fought for enlarging territory, which of course is land. The more land under the King's control, the more taxes he could elicit from a greater number of lesser nobles (serfs weren't directly taxed in those days). From there, it's the same old, same old - follow the money, and all we be made clear, grasshopper. Which of course leads us to my favorite quote of all time, Santyana's "Those to fail to recall their history are doomed to repeat it".
And before anyone gets on me for casting stones at c1, he did warn all of us - I quote: "Don't get me started!" sumgai, The Original Freewheelin' Franklin |
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Post by cynical1 on Dec 5, 2012 21:54:58 GMT -5
Holy Jeebus, c1, who compounded your meds this morning? No meds required. Blood pressure raises all on its own... The problem certainly goes back prior to the 15th century, but you really have to hand it to Giovanni di Bicci for starting Medici Bank. This guy was the first one to sneak it past the church to allow Christians to lend to other Christians, thereby allowing them to fund most of the major and minor wars of the region...of course, having family in the church helped... ...and yes...I did warn you...don't get me started... Happy Trails Cynical One |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2012 3:57:08 GMT -5
I agree, pretty reasonable all what cyn1 and sumgai wrote. I also think that this is something eternal. I mean, studying the true (not the one taught in schools) history of the eastern roman empire 500 AD -> 900 AD, i can see that their balkan policies of the time was blatantly identical to the current US/NATO ones. Substitute "democracy/free market" with Orthodoxy and we are done. I mean it is like replaying the same movie. Also, I think that this does not have to do with money or land, as much as with the will of man/nation to enforce his culture as being superior. And the only way to truly prove this is on the battlefield. When the best of techniques/technology/management/science are being put under the ultimate test. Going one step beyond, convincing the enemy about his inferiority, serves as the platform to achieve the ultimate goal : total control over the enemy. Total control of human soul.
I think that money is not their problem. Money can be made on the money factory. Or just add 2-3 digits in some record in some database. (ok i know i am oversimplifying things). The aim is to control : medicines, food, weapons. The one who can control these controls all human activity. So i think that money (or the era since 1500 AD to today) is just an intermediate step in the whole process.
And to put my conspiracy hat on, i think that at least in the last 200, 300 years, something has changed. I mean, it is not normal to see worldwide that super high level of total coordination and discipline. You guys may not be able to see it, since you are on the winner-side, but it is impressive (to say the least) the way that some "strange" global measures are applied *everywhere* at the same time, with the same symbols, same rhetoric, same methods. Like "thought" is centrally controlled. It definitely smells something bigger here...
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Post by gumbo on Dec 6, 2012 6:35:46 GMT -5
...."Like "thought" is centrally controlled. It definitely smells something bigger here... "
You're absolutely right....
...but since this is a guitar forum and I too have to go to work in the morning..to be able to afford a new Fender at AUD100 off as a Christmas sale item this week in Oz, let's all just embrace the fact that it all makes NO difference whatsoever as to what / who / if you vote for, and just keep collecting musical gear until we've got it ALL!!!
Eventually we won't be able to find the door to go outside, as it will be hidden by all the stuff, everyone / everything else will become irrelevant, and we'll just quietly starve to death with a smile on our lips...
Problem solved for us, problem solved for those in control...
...eventually this Forum will be taken over by KFC, and the only debate remaining will be how they can get 4 drumsticks off one chicken..
...now, has anybody seen where I left my meds??
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Post by Yew on Dec 10, 2012 20:27:15 GMT -5
Yes, they are doing exactly the opposite of what obama is doing. Whats that? you cut public spending and growth decreases as there is more unemployment? Fancy that..... To reduce a deposit as a percentage of GDP, increase GDP. As then you have more money to spend in the long term.... I mean even Brazil has a Higher economy than Britain Now.
Also, Income tax was introduced to pay for a war with france, wince we are still paying it though.....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2012 6:50:13 GMT -5
Yeah, wars cost so much that i have suspicions that this can easily destroy the "wars are about money" theory.
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Post by cynical1 on Dec 11, 2012 12:06:56 GMT -5
Yeah, wars cost so much that i have suspicions that this can easily destroy the "wars are about money" theory. Nope, we'll just contract them out. HTC1 |
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Post by sumgai on Dec 11, 2012 13:03:45 GMT -5
Yeah, wars cost so much that i have suspicions that this can easily destroy the "wars are about money" theory. c1's comment withstanding, the fact is that wars were never about money..... Money is merely the most common way of representing power, and that's what wars are all about - power over one's fellow man. I once heard a psychiatrist give a speech on returnees from the Viet Nam war, wherein he said that if no one was allowed to go into the military until they were 25 years old, then there'd be no more war - at about that point in one's maturity, they start realizing that war is no longer a kid's game, it's the real thing, and that's downright scary. All of which explains why we shed tears to see 15 year olds carrying AK-47's and getting killed while thinking that they are doing good for their country - we know, as we get older, that this "for the good of the country" business is just that: it's for big business, not for the country, not at all*. But who's gonna be first to pass such age-restriction laws, eh? I can answer gumbo's signature line with one word - we got the goverment we deserved due to complacency. We were, and are, too lazy to get off our collective butt and do something about the crappy politicians that bought their way into their offices. If we rioted in the streets like soccer fans do, then you can bet your sweet bippy that we'd have this country whipped back into shape in no time flat. But, and this is the biggy, where're you gonna find a grandma that's willing to step up to the front line and say "Enough, you scoundrels!". No, she's sitting in her rocker, complacent in her life because the government is feeding, housing and clothing her, and her grandkids come to visit once or twice a year.... and that's all she wants/needs. For her, so long as they leave her Social Security and her Medicare alone, then politics is about as interesting as watching paint dry. Now if granny had another 30 of 40 years left to live, I'm pretty certain she'd be a little less "Who cares, I dont' have long to live anyway, and besides, who pays attention to an old lady like me", and more like "Hey wait a minute, that's my grandkids' future your messing with! Now you listen to me!" But that's just a guess on my part.... and I've been known to be wrong before.  sumgai * Which goes to explain the first line of c1's signature - go read it again. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2012 13:47:13 GMT -5
Nice post sumgai, hey i tried to exalt you on that but your karma stays neutral  |
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Post by Yew on Dec 13, 2012 20:17:33 GMT -5
Nice post sumgai, hey i tried to exalt you on that but your karma stays neutral Just smite Kyle instead  |
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