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Post by Runewalker on Feb 8, 2006 13:51:14 GMT -5
I put this here as I want to honor the sanctity of the more or less finished designs referrence bank in the Schematics SubBoard. Did not want to sully the BigUgly schematic with discussion. Putting in the tables in on the different arrays per bank, per position really helped a lot in terms of visualizing and imagining the sounds and the sequences. So thanks for the tables Unk. The logic of the design and sequence of positions is clear. Where I struggle is on %umptions of the way I picture conventional guitarist training on all of the standard swithing arrays. On a Les Paul 2H arrangement a guitarist gets trained to think up for thickest, down for most treble. That is more or less replicated in the conventional 5-way with top position (position 1?) being the neck single, moving to position 5 as the brightest and frequently loudest pickup on calibrated sets. Of course you have the 'oddball' parallel in-betweens on 4 and 2 giving quack, and the mid position on the LP giving 2 -Hs in parallel, so the logic of thickest/Darkest moving to most treble gets a little side tracked. On this advanced system of Unks, the Parallel and Parallel OoP follow the same logic. Where it gets a little whacky is on position 3 of the Series and Series OoP banks. Pos 3 is the darkest and loudest of the bunch, especially in Series. Hopefully guitarist could adapt their learning to simply embrace that anomoly, however, guitarist are a strange admixture of raging, edgy iconoclasts and conservative crudmudlens ( Hey! Who ya callin' an Iconoclast, pal?) So it may be impossible technically, but could the postion 3 in the 2 Series Banks be moved to position 3, or are you stuck with the equal opportunity, golden rule notion: "what you do to one bank you must do to the others"?Here is how I imagine these would sound in terms of Darkest to brightest, with some variation: So to the extent this is representative then there might either be some new neural patterning or at worse some fumbling around. The 4 and 5 postions in the Series banks are the same color because a Bridge Local Series -hum is likely to sound similar to a Bridge/single in combo with a Mid single in Series. The spread will add some different harmonics but in overdriven modes the diff will be slight. Who plays clean? So how rigid are the arrays between banks? RW
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Post by UnklMickey on Feb 8, 2006 15:00:36 GMT -5
...So it may be impossible technically, but could the postion 3 in the 2 Series Banks be moved to position 3, or are you stuck with the equal opportunity, golden rule notion: "what you do to one bank you must do to the others"?... ...So how rigid are the arrays between banks?....... ............Who plays clean? RW RW, i've quoted you out of sequence, because i wanted to group the first two parts as one thought. the golden rule you spoke of, is mostly the way of life in this design. there is ONE exception that may be helpful to you. we can move ALL the singles (1&5) from the parallel group to the series group. this will come at the cost of having the shunted coil connected to hot (slight increase in hum/noise). also, the single that is selected at position 1 can be wired as being the neck or the middle. if we move the singles to the series bank, and/or change the order to either "1,3,2,4,5" or "3,1,2,4,5" that might be more to your liking? who plays clean? .................. i do! often. i mean tone. i play clean (not sloppy/fumbly) occasionally. unk
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Post by Runewalker on Feb 8, 2006 16:37:58 GMT -5
the golden rule you spoke of, is mostly the way of life in this design. there is ONE exception that may be helpful to you.
we can move ALL the singles (1&5) from the parallel group to the series group. this will come at the cost of having the shunted coil connected to hot (slight increase in hum/noise). also, the single that is selected at position 1 can be wired as being the neck or the middle.
if we move the singles to the series bank, and/or change the order to either "1,3,2,4,5" or "3,1,2,4,5" that might be more to your liking? OK, let me draw that up visually and pass around the varients to a local musician here to get his feedback. I am trying to see how this would be for a live playing guitarist. RW
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Post by UnklMickey on Feb 9, 2006 9:57:37 GMT -5
...we can move ALL the singles (1&5) from the parallel group to the series group. this will come at the cost of having the shunted coil connected to hot (slight increase in hum/noise).... i looked things over and discovered, I WAS WRONG!i can't separate the singles from the parallel setting. so the options are: - changing the sequence 1~5
- having middle instead of neck for the single at 1 (can be done without increase in hum/noise after all)
- adding a switch to change between neck and middle, for
the single at position 1
sorry about the mistake. but even God makes mistakes! as a texan, you should already know this. you've got armadillos down there don't you? unk BTW: i think i can move OoP settings at will within the sequence. but given the previous mis-statement, i'll look carefully at that, before i commit to it.
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Post by simes on Feb 9, 2006 11:52:38 GMT -5
Not wishing to confuse the issue, but have you had any further thoughts on the Ugly Jimmy version, unkl?
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Post by UnklMickey on Feb 9, 2006 13:44:13 GMT -5
... Ugly Jimmy version... what would that be? EDIT: oh, i remember now. no, i hadn't given much thought to that. it would probably be easier to start with a clean sheet of paper on that one.
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