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Post by quarry on May 24, 2006 14:36:39 GMT -5
My 14 yr old daughter thinks of my as somewhat a "cool" dad, since I play rock guitar, and all... but she's always trying to "turn me on" to "her" music (while I'm stuck in the '70s!)... Here's the latest band she made me listen to. Flyleaf. This is a Google video: video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4590545166149809360&q=flyleafDo any of you have a similar "experience" with kids??? Do any of you listen to Flyleaf???  |
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Post by pollyshero on May 24, 2006 18:23:38 GMT -5
~sigh~
It's what we get for cranking Alice Cooper, James Gang, and Robin Trower in our parent's ears.
What comes around...
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Post by quarry on May 24, 2006 18:58:08 GMT -5
Hero, It may, indeed, be a Karma thing... On the other hand, I'm so happy my daughter is a "rocker", unlike her brother, who prefers Rap... ~sigh~  |
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Post by Ripper on May 25, 2006 8:44:54 GMT -5
quarry...
My daughter is 12, and shes into Avril Lavigne and some techno stuff.
Its pretty lightweight so im cool with it.
I will not let her listen to rap, or hip hop.
Most of it is hateful, racist/garbage that promotes materialistic values and degrades women.
I swear that the music industry is at an all time low....Am I ranting? lol ;D
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Post by ChrisK on May 25, 2006 14:07:47 GMT -5
Yeah, My daughter listens to the worst crap possible. But, it's her crap and who am I to judge. I tried to explain that all of "my music" was the alternative music of the 60's (NO pop 40 play). I'm embarrased by a lot of the stuff that she likes (although I DO love L5 [or is it L7] and the $h... list, as well as a lot of it). I very quickly found out what her cell phone name was (Riot Girl) and what it really meant. As a father that knows "the ways of men" well, I went out of my way to enlighten her to same. After all, God gives us daughters to punish us for being men.  |
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Post by quarry on May 25, 2006 15:46:47 GMT -5
After all, God gives us daughters to punish us for being men. That punishment often manifests as gray hair (or a lack of hair)... Call me "Whitey"... One thing - for Christmas, my daughter gave me the new Coheed & Cambria disc... I actually like much of it - reminds me a bit of ol' Rush...  |
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Post by RandomHero on May 25, 2006 16:28:48 GMT -5
Kid music, and culture for that matter, is taking a massive bleak turn. When I was a little kid, carefree bands (even if they did have attitudes) ruled the radio, and I could still play games like Mario and Sonic. Nowdays, music is not popular if it's got even the slightest twinge of a positive outlook, and all the games are about crime, horror or just plain evil. I won't mind raising my kids if the whole "culture cycle" is true and they're gonna wind up growing up in a "flower-power"-esque age of pop culture... but if things keep going the direction they're in, I'm getting the snip before my wedding.
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Post by ChrisK on May 25, 2006 17:07:25 GMT -5
I thought the same way back in the mid 70's (when I wed). I warily went forward breeding and am most happy with the outcome. I've got a 26 year old Big Apple project managing multiple award winning architect, and a 23 year old director of public policy at an international DC-based non-profit. It wasn't easy, but it was great.
But, I purposely married a very good woman (and thence mother), AND it (my sins of youth) did skip a generation.
Please, please reproduce, social security needs you. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by the_uprising on Aug 31, 2006 4:20:46 GMT -5
Just for anyone that passes one by like i did reading this, it is my simple opinion that cheap shoting music of any kind is not fair.
"Most of it is hateful, racist/garbage that promotes materialistic values and degrades women"
I certenly was not even born to remember the birthing of rock and roll, but i can imagine what those concerned parents thought about when they first saw swinging hips to hearing power cords through some distortion. It does seem like everything sucks now, and from a pop standpoint, it does (basicly). But i am a firm believer that in every genre there is someone out there trying real hard to make quality music as an art form. So maybe we can stop the hatin'. Cause i know i have been trying real hard...
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Post by UnklMickey on Aug 31, 2006 17:22:50 GMT -5
...But i am a firm believer that in every genre there is someone out there trying real hard to make quality music as an art form... hi the_uprising, welcome to Guitarnuts2. your statement is absolutely true! but, when 99% of a certain genre is cop-killin'-bling-bling-on-yer-knees-biotch, it's pretty easy to write it off. call me a "hater" if you want, but i'm not willing to wade through 99% of the C RAP to get to the 1% that might be decent. in general "hip-hop" is much milder in content, but there is some ugly thought in some of that too. (gimme good ol' disco-funk over either of those genres ANYDAY!) personally the reason i don't like most rap, is because it is usually amelodic. sorta boring, including the mostly played-out rhythmic patterns. so the focus is on the diversity in the lyrics. which brings us, full-circle, to where i started. ...So maybe we can stop the hatin'.... maybe someone should tell that to the gangstas. LSHIASMP unk |
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Post by ranchtooth on Sept 7, 2006 22:00:21 GMT -5
My sister is 15 and is listening to Dragonforce... Could be worse... Actually no it couldn't. Good guitar work though..
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Post by the_uprising on Sept 11, 2006 16:19:47 GMT -5
Yeah, 99% of the mainstream/ pop rap & hip-hop sucks, no question unklmickey. I'm with you there. And another good call on the disco-funk! I'm all on board there... Maybe another one of my problems is that i almost never listen to any lyrics to what ever i am listening to. So the lyrics (which i dont really get around to hearing) never really get on my nerves. But all in all i have mine, so to each his own right? Who are we and especially me to judge? I throughly enjoy both Queen and Meshuggah... Who would have thought?
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Post by UnklMickey on Sept 11, 2006 19:15:22 GMT -5
...But all in all i have mine, so to each his own right? Who are we and especially me to judge?... to each his own?..........................ABSOLUTELY! who are we to judge? well...... just as the "artists" have a right to "free speech"............ so do we!agree or dissent, it's your opinion, and worthy of being heard. i'll defend to the death, their right to say, what they say........ .............and my right, to voice my opinion about what they've said. unk |
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Post by ChrisK on Sept 11, 2006 19:51:45 GMT -5
Waddya mean? Isn't it like our turn now?
(Boomer's rule!)
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Post by mlrpa on Sept 11, 2006 23:39:17 GMT -5
Gee, didn't our parents say the same thing about our music? you know, Styx, Zepplin, Zappa? (oh God, mom HATED Zappa!)
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Post by UnklMickey on Sept 12, 2006 18:33:17 GMT -5
which rule is Boomer's rule? |
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Post by ChrisK on Sept 12, 2006 20:08:46 GMT -5
Ours, since we boomers rule.
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Post by UnklMickey on Sept 12, 2006 20:12:53 GMT -5
is it marked in inches or centimeters?
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Post by ChrisK on Sept 12, 2006 20:17:37 GMT -5
Dollars!
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Post by UnklMickey on Sept 12, 2006 20:23:50 GMT -5
darn, by most other scales, i would be considered tall.
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Post by tacobobbo on Sept 13, 2006 3:30:25 GMT -5
which rule is Boomer's rule? Aw, heck. I thought ya said BLOOMERS. Darn middleaged hearing loss. Crap, now I hafta go rethink my smarta$$ reply. Bob |
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Post by tacobobbo on Sept 13, 2006 4:21:08 GMT -5
Unk:
I agree entirely with you about peoples rights to say their opinions and about our rights to rebutt those opinions AND even the defending it to the death, its THAT important.
The rest of this is just in general, to anyone interested in MY opinion.
I disagree with ANY form of art(?) that encourages violence for the sake of violence,or rebellion for the sake of rebellion. The difference I see between rebellion as expoused by rap and rebellion of the woodstock era musicians is reasons. Yes I AM old enuff to have had to worry about graduating from high school one day, and being sent to a country that didnt even speak english to fight for them, the next day. Aint the case today, and hasnt been for almost 35 years. C,S & N in Wooden Ships said "If ya smile at me I'll understand, cuz thats something everybody, everywhere does in the same language". Yes, the were rebelling when they said in Ohio "We're finally on our own". Give some thought to what was happening that sparked the song. Other than maybe one song by Jerry Jeff Walker, I cant remember too many songs from the older generation of musicians that talks about hurting someone. I cant think of any rap that doesnt and I'll grant you that most of it that I hear is when somebody drives by my house and I hear it coming, so my exposure is somewhat limited. I guess I dont even know what I want to say, other than I DO fear where we are headed. Music is such a powerful medium. It can be used to calm or relax and it can be used to encite. I would like to see it be used more to unite and cause a bit of happiness than to tell somebody to "cap his butt". I dont believe thats what God had in mind when HE invented music. As I said I agree with Unk, I DO believe in somebodys right to express his opinion is a right worth dying for (in UNIFORM), but I also agree with Unk in that I have the right to rebutt somebodys opinion, especially if that opinion is telling someone its ok for somebody to do me or anybody else harm.
Bob
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Post by the_uprising on Sept 13, 2006 18:36:04 GMT -5
Amen to that brother Bob (no sarcasm intended). I think that it is fair to say, since we are at a guitar forum, most if not almost all of GuitarNuts2 members have a limited knowledge of what rap/hip hop has been doing with themselves for the last 20 years or so. And i know that i certainly believe in what Unk said about opinions and the defense of them, as well as the rights that we have as humans, and as Americans under the constitution. I think that most of us here at GuitarNuts2 second that one. And just for the record Bob, i am interested in your opinion.
But I think it would be appropriate now for me to say that i have feared the direction music would be taking once N*SYNC took over and destroyed pop music and culture for that matter. I feel that that was the time if not the bullet that killed truth in our pop culture/music. I know the 80's was tough, and we probably barely made it out of there, but there was still hope for the 90's. And i feel that we were doing ok up until N*SYNC took the lead over Backstreet Boys as the dominant boy-"band". Once America bought into that, the music executives saw where they could make their money: Saturated music industry waste, with icons that could be shaped and molded into the style of the time. So now the market (music industry) has been flooded with a lot of similar molds that executives have created for the public to consume as modern pop culture and music.
I hear you when you say that the older generations of music had much less lyrical content of describing or even advocating violence. And it's true. However, as i see it the beginnings of Rap (as of the 80's) had a solid enough of a birth for me to be behind it, and here is why: I relate the important 80's/90's Rap groups with the important political Rock groups of the 60's and 70's. The black community of America always seems to have someone or something against them. And i think that most of America if not the world, knows that. I feel that the beginning of pop Rap was just as outspoken and well informed as those of their Rock counterparts in the 60's. However (as i see it, & as far as i know) the 60's groups i have been talking about, took a more Martin Luther King Jr. approach to it and often they were advocating peace (even if it didn't always happen that way). Then during the 80's and 90's Rap did the exact same thing (tried to bring about change in the social patterns and structures that had been happening). However, they took more of an Malcom X/Black Panthers approach to their situation and that was just how they felt. They felt that their time had come and they needed a revolution immediately. They (many in the black community in the 80's & 90's) felt that the times and trials they were facing was just getting out of hand, and i think that Public Enemy, N.W.A., and others were trying to convey that in their music, to get the word out and their voices heard. Thus making themselves the spokesmen for their communities.
Once their groups (Public Enemy, etc...) started to disband and break apart things had been changing and they were having different agendas and gangs were starting to explode onto the media. So once again they started rapping about their situations, their life, and how they perceived their streets that they were living with. And as it always seems to do, the music industry found a way to get things out of hand and take things out of context, so then there were things that were exploited to eventually create an image of gang wars and East and West coast wars. So now what happens? Now the public is only hearing what is popular, so they hear battles, war, guns, drugs, ho's, etc. And now instead of the public hearing what was once being described to them, as a way of sharing what the rappers life was about on the streets, the public hears contention and money, or whatever the industry thinks that will make money. After Tupac and Biggie died, i think the rap industry mostly transitioned into the hip hop industry and there wasn't much left for rap in pop culture. I think the pop audience got burnt out on the idea of "Gangsta Rap" once they saw that being being a gangsta meant actually being in a gang, and being associated with everything that the gang is involved with. There was a small re-emergence of rap in pop music and culture with Eminem, but thats all but faded out again now. Now its back to hip hop and their "bling", cash-money, and ho's. Not very good source material if you ask me. Especially if your running almost an entire genre of "music" on it. But none-the-less, they still for the most part leave the gangsta part out of their genre.
As i said before, the mid/late 90's was the death of truth to pop music, and i am still afraid of where music will go. But i think that we just may be on the brink of another revolution of sorts. Since the internet explosion, communicating with others at an all time high in history. We are hear at this forum connected, while 10 years ago people like us may have never had the chance to meet and share ideas. Therefore since communication is much easier, music has been able to get into many people's lives through the back door, and totally skipped the gauntlet of the pop culture/music industry. I am excited for what may come for music. And there are local bands here in Central Oregon that are helping me get excited. All apologies if there is anything i ever say that is offensive to anyone. Sometimes my liberal tendencies get the best of me. I do my best to think before i speak. And sorry this reply ended up being so long. I just had a lot to say today i guess...
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Post by UnklMickey on Sept 13, 2006 19:05:32 GMT -5
...Sometimes my liberal tendencies get the best of me.... hey, nobody's perfect. (just kidding!) you might like to see what Hip-Hop was really all about when it started, how it was perverted by Rap and the record industry, and how it survives today as Alternative Hip-Hop.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip_hop |
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Post by ChrisK on Sept 13, 2006 20:44:40 GMT -5
Darn middle-aged seeing loss. Dudes, paragraphs, use, please (as in multiples thereof with space betwixt'ith).  Whitespace is so refreshing (and free). I listened to rap music once. It wasn't by choice, it was from a car 4 miles away........... ;D |
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Post by tacobobbo on Sept 14, 2006 21:34:47 GMT -5
Darn middle-aged seeing loss. Darn middle aged FIBER loss.  |
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Post by bobble991 on Oct 9, 2006 14:26:35 GMT -5
My daughter (fifteen) listens to 70s stuff that has been rehashed and is now being sung by those chipmunks we used to see in the cartoons. Boy does she get wild when I know all the words. My chipmunk voice aint too hot though
On a more sombre note, I dont like anything which promotes violence or hatred or harm to anyone. I cant understand why people hate so much. I used to say I hated people, but three days later we were friends again. Once people hate so much what lowers their self esteem so much that they harm others with no regard for what will happen to themselves?
I love simple 70s and early eighties metal. No hatred just a load of pseudo mystic and goth c**p. I must say the only current band I truly enjoy is hammerfall. They got the 70s feeling with a little more class.l
Bobble
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Post by UnklMickey on Oct 12, 2006 20:44:25 GMT -5
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Post by johan on Oct 13, 2006 3:05:54 GMT -5
I think maybe the point is that although Flyleaf seems to want to look cool, alternative, edgy and undone -- they are not. The appeal for 14-year olds is clear: "nobody understands me"-lyrics, recognizable soft pop hooks though very short death metal breaks, etc. etc.
I think its a very well made product, but the trouble is that I see nothing but product in this type of music. It's a step up thing to buy metal cds, probably. It's not constructed by the artist but by the A&R department of the record company after extensive research. And in that sense, I don't agree with the "it's a matter of taste"-argument, or rather it's not so relevant.
That's what make me so said. We are back to the early 50s when artists controlled nothing of the creative process. Then we got the Beatles and the Beach Boys etc who revolutionized popular music by gaining control over the complete process, just like a novelist, sculptur, painter, etc has. At that point it evolved into an 'art' if you like.
And all this, while the need for making an alliance is gone. In the 60s you couldn't get a recording unless you worked you're way through the circuit, got selected and signed by a label. Nowadays, you can record an album at home with limited means, put the music on your website and you have worldwide distribution for free.
"Ah ok, you want to make money... I thought you wanted to make music."
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Post by tacobobbo on Oct 13, 2006 3:22:26 GMT -5
Gee, thanks Unk. Didnt realize it was possible to ingest something from an 8 track tape. ;D  Um, that IS taken AUDIBLY, right?  Bob |
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