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Post by ssjazzrock on Aug 28, 2006 9:48:00 GMT -5
with all that humbucker fiasco I went through in the other thread, another thing popped into my mind as I played. The HS3 and the Tone Zone are polar opposites power wise. Dont get me wrong, I like the nice clean single coil sound from the HS3, but it doesnt have much power as opposed to the Tone Zone which has uber power, and fatness. At first I liked having a "bipolar" guitar, but I think now Id rather have a more balanced axe. I was looking into the GHS pickups on guitar fetish, as they are mentioned on here a few times, and the Lil Killer HOT has a 15K ohm rating, which is closer to the Tone Zone, or maybe a lower power humbucker to match the HS3, although I dont know if they exist. Im even willing to consider a whole new set. Any opinions, considering the '51's slanted neck position pickup?
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Post by sumgai on Aug 28, 2006 12:31:36 GMT -5
ss, Hey guy, somehow I'm having a frain bart this morning. I thought we were speaking of a Squier '51 Tele here, weren't we? So could you please tell me again, how is it that the neck pup is slanted?  Better yet, howzabout a pic, eh? I just wanna be sure that what you call a neck pickup isn't what I call a bridge pickup, that's all. A rose by a different name, and all that jazz, ya know? ;D Danke. sumgai, the dense one. |
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Post by ssjazzrock on Aug 28, 2006 12:40:02 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squier_'51 theres everything there is to know about the "stock" guitar, mine is a little different tho, I took out the rotary selector switch and used a 3 way dpdt switch, if thats what you call it, and I took out the stock push/pull volume and used a 1 meg volume pot in its place. ...but you get to see the pickup configuration  for some reason the link doesnt work, youll have to copy and paste the url... stupid internet...
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Post by UnklMickey on Aug 28, 2006 13:25:57 GMT -5
...for some reason the link doesnt work, youll have to copy and paste the url... stupid internet... try this: Squire '51 link |
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Post by UnklMickey on Aug 28, 2006 13:32:25 GMT -5
...Hey guy, somehow I'm having a frain bart this morning. I thought we were speaking of a Squier '51 Tele here, weren't we? .... betcha the Princeton 65 threw ya for a loop too, when it first came out. unk |
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Post by ssjazzrock on Aug 28, 2006 14:49:22 GMT -5
thanks unk, html scares me... seriously
anyway I got to reading the guitarnuts site, and I saw a little blurb all the way at the bottom of one of the scematics pages about using a resistor before a pickup to give a warmer tone at a lower volume... seems like a simple enough idea, maybe i could use a resistor on the TZ to kick it back a notch...
the question I have tho is do I simply wire in the resistor from the lead on the pickup to the terminal of the switch?
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Post by UnklMickey on Aug 28, 2006 15:11:05 GMT -5
...do I simply wire in the resistor from the lead on the pickup to the terminal of the switch? here's what i expect will happen when you do that. when the TZ is used with the HS3, the resistor and the HS3 will form a voltage divider of sorts. so, the TZ's contribution will be somewhat reduced. the larger the resistor, the less contribution by the TZ. but when the HS3 is turned off and TZ is used alone, it will be nearly full volume. unk |
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Post by sumgai on Aug 29, 2006 2:11:54 GMT -5
ss, Wha't's been proven here is that you really can rename a rose, and it will no longer smell like what it used to smell like! Trust me, this is a play on words, no more than a sales gimmick, and if Fender's history is anything to regard, then it's also a way of selling off old parts from previous models that are no longer being made, but they have way too many in the parts bins to just toss out (or sell to a salvage dealer). That thing looks like a Cyclone I or II pickup to me. So, OK, I'm down with this, let's move on............ unk's correct of course, the resistor in series with the pickup by itself will do essentially nothing for your volume level problem. When both pups are on, you may notice a bit of reduction of the ToneZone, but to reach that blissful blend, you'll likely have to play with several values. You may opt instead to use a Blend pot, either on the face of the guitar, or inside the control cavity. Set it once, and forget it. (Alternatively, once you've set it, you can then substitute in a resistor very close in value to what the pot measures in Kilohms.) Another way to get around that would be to increase the number of poles on your switch (from DPDT) in order to switch in and out certain resistor values. At that point, you could build in a voltage divider, ala what unk said above, and when you flip the switch, the divider changes value to accomodate your pup selection. Easy to do, if this appeals to you. Be aware, however, that any resistance within the signal path will have an affect on the final tone, there's no escaping that little factoid. To counter, that you might consider a small battery powered amp inside your rig. ;D One more thing: It's not HTML that you're dealing with here, its called BBcode, or sometimes BBS code. (There are other names I'm sure, let's keep it simple here.) All you have to do when inserting a link is to hit the link button above the Reply text field. That will insert the follwing two items in said text field, right where your cursor is sitting: . Place your cursor between the two items, and then type or paste in your link. Bingo, you're good to go.  On my browser, there are two rows of buttons above the text field. The url button is the second one from the left, in the lower row. It should look like a globe with a gray square in the lower right corner. (That square is supposed to be a "page" on the web.) HTH sumgai |
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Post by ssjazzrock on Aug 29, 2006 6:49:09 GMT -5
hmmm... so basically I would tie the resistor to ground instead of in series with the pickup and switch... acting as a fixed volume for that pickup, correct?
I like the idea of using an onboard preamp, but I dont think theres much room for a battery in there, and I dont like the idea of making any new holes.
I would rather take that little 2.5 watt amp they sell on guitarfetish and make it into a pedal or maybe a volume pedal or something. That way I can use my power supply instead of a battery.
Argh... too many ideas at once...
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Post by UnklMickey on Aug 29, 2006 11:53:54 GMT -5
....All you have to do when inserting a link is to hit the link button above the Reply text field. That will insert the follwing two items in said text field, right where your cursor is sitting: [a href=""][/a]. Place your cursor between the two items, and then type or paste in your link. Bingo, you're good to go. ... Sumgai, this thread seems to be bad luck for you, or sumthin'. ssjazzrock's post acutally looked like this, in his edit window:[a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squier_'51"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squier_'51[/a] which resulted in this:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squier_'51 note how the '51 part is black.
for some reason (Don't Know, Don't Care), links in this forum "choke" on certain characters.
in this case it was the crux of the biscuit. er............ i mean, apostrophe.
and for some reason (again, DKDC) that seems to not be a problem in this format:[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squier_'51]Squire '51 link[/url] which i used, and resulted in this:Squire '51 linkifn i REALLY wanted to be a rascal, i could have done this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squier_'51and waited for the question: WTF?! how did you DO that?!not bad for someone who never even posted on a forum before guitarnuts2, eh? hmmm... so basically I would tie the resistor to ground instead of in series with the pickup and switch... acting as a fixed volume for that pickup, correct? ... bad plan! if you do that, the resistor will affect the tone of the TZ by loading it. (it will knock down everything but the bass.) in addition, it will affect BOTH pickups when they are both in parallel. unk |
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Post by ChrisK on Aug 29, 2006 17:39:01 GMT -5
I'd go for the Tri-polar guitar. More below.
Don't be lead astray by the appeal of the "K" (as in Ohms). It ain't nearly that simple.
Tone Zone
375 mV (as in AC milliVolts of output, what really matters, put away the "K").
17.3 kOhms
Lows 8.5
Mids 8.5
Highs 5
This is a dark, dank pickup.
HS3
93 mV
23.7 kOhms
Lows 6
Mids 6
Highs 6.5
This is somewhat darker Strat pickup
The slant of a neck pickup and it's effect on harmonics is virtually meaningless due to its distance from the bridge.
The Tri-polar guitar:
Consider a rotary switch in place of the toggle. Use 6 positions. Then you can select the Tone Zone by itself in series coil mode (uber doober), in parallel coil mode, the HS3 by itself, and the HS3 in conjunction (series as well as parallel) with the TZ in parallel or the appropriate hum-canceling TZ individual coil.
I've often looked at the '51 fer such wiring dementia, but have been put off by the cheesy neck.
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Post by ssjazzrock on Aug 30, 2006 8:31:25 GMT -5
The Tri-polar guitar sounds pretty cool, but where would I get a 6 position switch?
Why do most manufacturers go by the Kohm rating on their pickups to denote power if that has nothing to do with the output? On that note, how do you determine the mV of a pickup?
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Post by UnklMickey on Aug 30, 2006 12:15:54 GMT -5
[quote author=ssjazzrock board=pup thread=1156776480 post=1156944685]...Why do most manufacturers go by the Kohm rating on their pickups to denote power if that has nothing to do with the output?... [/quote]
hi Ssjazzrock,
FWIW, some of the more respected ones don't.
it isn't that resistance has nothing to do with the output.
if ALL other factors are identical, the resistance will be proportional to the number of turns.
more turns = more output.
But all other factors are not always identical. (in fact they seldom are)
there are factors (like wire guage) that will grossly change the resistance of 2 otherwise identical pickups, that will have about the same output.
also, there are things like magnet type and strength and pole-piece design that will grossly affect the tone and output of a pickup without affecting the resistance.
i'll leave the other questions for someone else.
unk
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Post by ChrisK on Aug 30, 2006 18:16:46 GMT -5
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Post by UnklMickey on Aug 30, 2006 18:27:19 GMT -5
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Post by ChrisK on Aug 30, 2006 18:37:32 GMT -5
Vell, it vould be wery easy if'n proboards vasn't so comma'tose.
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Post by UnklMickey on Aug 30, 2006 18:50:10 GMT -5
that IS the crux of the biscuit.
my apologies to Frank.. (may he rest in peace)
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Post by ssjazzrock on Aug 30, 2006 18:58:19 GMT -5
interesting switchieness... should be fun figuring out how to wire that sum***** and yeah, i did notice that the hs3 was an oddball, thats why i asked about the mv |
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Post by ux4484 on Oct 9, 2006 13:11:55 GMT -5
Had one of these in my hands last week, it was quite a bit o' fun for $150 bucks....
I don't know that I'd change much of anything besides the neck pup.
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Better yet, howzabout a pic, eh?
