Why wouldn't they work??

[png123]

I have been thinking about some crazy ideas that can make a guitar one of a kind. They are very oblivious, so why aren't they possible,

Here they are:
1) A fretless guitar
2) A guitar with over 24 frets (say 28/30?!)
3) A guitar with a short neck and smaller frets
4) A guitar with more than 3 pups

So any ideas why these are not possible?

[ux4484]

Well, 1, 3, and 4 have all been done.
If I'm thinking about this the right way, #3 would require very long scale length that would require a bridge that had much more diverse saddle settings (for intonation) than most bridges could provide. I imagine someone could crunch the numbers to come up with the scale length or fret spacing, but it's my nap time now.......

[ux4484]

OooOOPs!!!

Looks like #3 has been done, with basses anyways. You'll never buy strings at GC, MF, or SA again.....

A little google search always helps.

[ux4484]

of course, you could also get one of these!




And here are all the frets you could want.



I learned something today!

[ChrisK]

They are very oblivious, so why aren't they possible

They're very obvious, so they have been done before. Keep thinking tho'.

If I'm thinking about this the right way, #3 would require very long scale length that would require a bridge that had much more diverse saddle settings (for intonation) than most bridges could provide.

I think that you mean #2. Since intonation is done at the 12th fret, it is independent of the number of frets (at least above 12).

A longer scale length could be used to make the frets farther apart. In this case, one would probably need a wider intonation adjustment range.

I imagine someone could crunch the numbers to come up with the scale length or fret spacing,

Scale length is what one chooses for frequency and string tension.

Fret spacing is trivial to calculate. Since there are 12 half-steps per octave, and an octave is a doubling of frequency/halving of string length, the ratio of a fret to its neighbor is the 12th root of 2, or approximately: 1.059,463,094,359,295,264,561,825,294,946,3

;D

[ux4484]

chrisk said:

I think that you mean #2. Since intonation is done at the 12th fret, it is independent of the number of frets (at least above 12).

A longer scale length could be used to make the frets farther apart. In this case, one would probably need a wider intonation adjustment range.

I initially had in there something about increasing the scale length to make the upper frets playable....and then decided not to.....thanks for pointing that out.

I KNEW it would be you that came up with the numbers !

nap time over, I feel much better now

So...Chris....with all that other gear you've got....do you have a Stick?

[Ripper]

I feel if its not broken dont fix it!

[RJB]

#3 is a Fender Mustang 24" scale length

#4

[png123]

Wow,
sure has alot of features,
I doubt if it sound to nice though,

[cravinbob]

how about a reverseable guitar? flip it over for a different tuning or ??

[png123]

Look at the post above this or so

[UnklMickey]

png123 said:

Look at the post above this or so

hey Png123,

threads get shuffled in the index, according to most recent posts.

i assume you mean this one?

guitarnuts2.proboards45.com/index.cgi?board=guitar&action=display&thread=1161105607

[dunkelfalke]

ux4484 said:

OooOOPs!!!

Looks like #3 has been done, with basses anyways. You'll never buy strings at GC, MF, or SA again.....

A little google search always helps.

also with guitars



hohner revelation atx, the mother of my favourite guitar (revelation rtx)

[UnklMickey]

hey Falke,


UnklSymmetry sends his regards.......................and this:

[dunkelfalke]

ugh *shudder*
not only that the guitar has become butt-ugly, it suddenly stopped making sence.

try to hold and play a hohner revelation (not the new us version, either the european one or the current reissue), then you'll feel the reason for the shape

unk, i think i found the perfect guitar for you

;D



symmetical all the way

[ChrisK]

So...Chris....with all that other gear you've got....do you have a Stick?

Yeah, but it's attached to a 6 speed tranny! ;D

[UnklMickey]

dunkelfalke said:

...unk, i think i found the perfect guitar for you

;D
...

no thanks, tried once to play the 4-string version of that......failed miserably.

unk

[dunkelfalke]

i don't like to play bass either ;-)

[UnklMickey]

[sumgai]

png,

1) A fretless guitar
Done many times, but most often in the Bass world. Various acoustic six-string units are also available, but not very many electrics (though I have one..... a Roland VG-88 ;D).

2) A guitar with over 24 frets (say 28/30?!)
Ibanez jacked out a 28 fretter back in the 90's, had a SC in what would be the ordinary middle position, and a humbucker in the bridge position. Reeeeal deep cutaway on that upper treble bout!

3) A guitar with a short neck and smaller frets
Done often, look at Fender's so-called "Student Models", with a 22" scale length and 22 frets. (These have also been called "3/4 sized guitars.") I'm sure other manufacturers also put out some 'student' models. Moreover, Fender's top-of-the-line Jaguar comes with a 24" neck and 22 frets.

4) A guitar with more than 3 pups
Again, Fender takes the lead - in 1964, not long before selling his company to CBS, Leo built a prototype Marauder with 4 separate SC pups mounted under the pickguard - completely hidden! Sad that it never made it into production.


sumgai

[tacobobbo]

You guys crack me up.

[dunkelfalke]

sumgai:
spinal tap's guitarist nigel tufnell had an interesting guitar pickupwise:
watch this video:

[UnklMickey]

Nigel is playing a more "conventional" guitar in this clip:

but i'm very impressed by the quick "tuning" adjustment at 00:50

[dunkelfalke]

yeah, i love it when he plays his guitar with the violine (a nod to jimmy page i suppose) and then tunes the violine

[UnklMickey]

at the risk of continuing off-topic...

it's interesting you mentioned JP.

Led Zepp went commercial, and allowed Cadillac to use rock and roll.

Nigel is now doing a commercial for Volkswagen (and FirstAct guitars).

[dunkelfalke]

i mentioned jimmy page because of this here:

[vonFrenchie]

You could get a daisy rock guitar. seriously, chicks love it when a guy can literally play a butterfly. plus they are a shorter scale. Also if you can find one check out the Gibson Byrdland. Sweaty Uncle Teddy (Ted Nugent) uses one. Byrdlands are 23 1/2"

[blank]

The Danelectro (Or Hondo copy) Guitarlin has 31 frets.

Washburn made a couple models in the 80's, with Floyd's and all that, the EC29 and EC36, with 29 and 36 frets respectively. Hit up Google to see those.

[andy]

All 4 suggestions have been built at some point and are certainly not impossible! It is more a question of whether there is enough demand for less-usual guitars to bother making a production version of them. However, they do occur- here are a few I know of off the top of my head...

1.Godin make an 11 string fretless nylon, the Glissentar, which looks like fun. See www.godinguitars.com/godinglissentarp.htm

2. Danelectro made the Guitarlin at one point, a 31 fret guitar in the Long Horn Style. A Version is still made by Jerry Jones.
www.jerryjonesguitars.com/JJO_Guitarlin.htm

Uli John Roth has a custom 'Sky Guitar' which is also 31 frets. There is a photo of himself with it here...
skivbolaget.com/UliJonRoth/ulihome.asp
...and of Billy Corgan holding it here. Note the curious fret arrangement right at the top of the fret board- presumably the individual frets become too close to play at this point, so the most usefull intervals have been kept instead.
www.ulijonroth.com/sky/current/latest_news.htm

3 You might be imagining something I'm not here, but Fender have a 'mini' model strat, and there seem to be a few more soild bodied mandolins around at the moment. The Blue star is quite retro-cool at
www.elderly.com/new_instruments/items/BSMB4-REDB-RSWD.htm
or the Epiphone Mando-bird is at
www.epiphone.com/default.asp?ProductID=101&CollectionID=11

4. For some reason, most 4 pickup guitars I have seen have a quirky 60's surf sort of look to them, but I'm sure a good hunt would find other styles.

Here is one, at any rate...

www.dipintoguitars.com/vintage/solid%20electrics/Intermark.htm

Does this make me a true guitar geek?? Maybe i should take up a sport or something!