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Post by UnklMickey on Nov 14, 2006 21:45:54 GMT -5
3 years ago the Dixie Chicks had to cancel concerts due to lack of sales, and couldn't get any airplay on radio stations.
this was a result of bad-mouthing 'Dubya' during one of their concerts in the U.K.
for a while, it was as if they had fallen off the face of the earth.
Today, George W. is experiencing some of his lowest ever approval ratings, and the Chicks are back on tour.
although they have had reasonable ticket sales in Canada, ticket sales in the U.S. have been lack-luster. They have even had to cancel some proposed venues in the southern states, due to non-existent sales.
they continue to whine about how death threats had been made, and how some people were trying to destroy their careers.
if threats were made, that was sick and wrong, but IMHO, no one could do anything to damage their careers more effectively than what they did themselves, alienating their fans.
opinions?
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Post by ux4484 on Nov 14, 2006 22:15:48 GMT -5
If possible, their name is not something I use in everyday conversation. Neither the Mrs or the girls like them....so I have the luxury of not caring. In the music Biz, press is press, or as ChrisK would say: Press Is Darrell Abbott is bigger now than he ever was alive....go figure. I expect the next time we'll really hear from the DC's will be in the obit's or at the next presidential inauguration.  |
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Post by ChrisK on Nov 15, 2006 0:11:01 GMT -5
Dixie Chicks/Nixie Chicks
Just because one is good at running their mouth (or singing) doesn't mean that they're good at thinking.
Bring on the Wailin' Jenny's
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Post by tacobobbo on Nov 15, 2006 5:14:09 GMT -5
Guess they learned, or at least should have by now; that freedom aint, nor was it ever, FREE. In other words somebody(ie, the serviceman) had to earn/pay for it. And Freedom of Speech doesnt mean Freedom from Repercussion.
Bob
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Post by dunkelfalke on Nov 15, 2006 9:58:08 GMT -5
lost some fans, found some other.
such is life.
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Post by Ripper on Nov 15, 2006 12:16:49 GMT -5
Yes, the chicks are still popular up here in Canada ( Sorry guys )
I must admit that id love to spend a weekend with lil' Natalie, but I think she should support her president and keep her sweet perfect mouth closed.
I need whipped cream!
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Post by Runewalker on Nov 16, 2006 22:20:47 GMT -5
I am confident the mouth is good for something.
The reason the country has a disaffection for the DCs is that they badmouthed the country while they were in another country. That was interpreted by many conseratives as treason. The last election, proved there are plenty of folks embarrassed by W and the incursion into Iraq, so it was not so much the DC's sentiment but the where and how.
Also, the timing. They ran point, and caught shrapnel. But I know many conservatives who have since turned around their opinions of the validity of W's policies. It is odd to see how much it troubles them to move from support to discomfort. However, they still don't buy DC CDs. But then again, DC ain't too country anymore.
Also, Natale adamantly expressed no sorrow, no regret. Seems like the death threats might have made her more circumspect. Repentance is eventually rewarded. Arrogance is both admired and loathed. Guess they got the loathed side.
Besides when they play guitars they play acoustics, confirming the assertion that acoustics are for girls.
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Post by dunkelfalke on Nov 17, 2006 5:58:59 GMT -5
nothing personal guys but i have a feeling that the people on the other side of the pond are too nationalistic.
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Post by Runewalker on Nov 19, 2006 10:33:18 GMT -5
nothing personal guys but i have a feeling that the people on the other side of the pond are too nationalistic. Probably. However, I suspect that might not be restricted to the US. Seems like China, Japan, France, Germany, Britain, Italy, Turkey, Iran, the Koreas ..... on and on, have all had their moments in the nationalistic sun. The light still shines brightly for many. Wherever divisions are recognized over commonalities, dissension reigns. Nothing new there, whether nationalism, race, fashion, wealth or whatever differentiation sought .... However, I suspect the US has not cornered the market on nationalism. Weren't a couple (or more) of wars started in Europe over that issue? It is funny to me that greed and nationalism (the illustion of differences) promugated most historical wars, and that the dominent theroretical belief now is that the road to peace lies toward economic interdependencies. Independent greed vs. interdependent greed. Ah the human condition. This is perhaps a risky discussion to pursue in this happy guitar community. Unk, don't run with scissors, and don't play with matches. |
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Post by dunkelfalke on Nov 19, 2006 12:25:31 GMT -5
i guess i forgot to add "right now".
nationalism isn't the real issue for any war - but it was (more or less) invented in europe, in the times of the french revolution, to help the authorities to raise support for their wars.
and in the modern times the authorities also feed, nurse and cultivate nationalism, just in case they need to justify some war or to distract the people from real problems.
hermann goering, founder of gestapo, said once: "Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
and unfortunately he was right
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Post by UnklMickey on Nov 20, 2006 8:20:13 GMT -5
...This is perhaps a risky discussion to pursue in this happy guitar community.
Unk, don't run with scissors, and don't play with matches. aw man, you know me. i never open any risky subjects or throw gasoline on a fire. .:LMAO:. what strikes me as 2 fatal errors they committed: 1 - not using the utmost in tact, discretion, and suBlety when voicing opinions contrary to those held by one's fan base. 2 - never, Never, NEVER air your dirty linen on your neighbor's clothesline. (she might have been soon forgiven if she made that remark in Texas, and perhaps even been perceived as bold, brave and independent minded. To say that in another country was seen as treacherous. (Rune actually voiced this in better terms) |
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Post by prshott on Nov 24, 2006 23:54:15 GMT -5
Ok, lets be honest guys, it was a stupid thing to say publicly but... even I was surprised by the backlash considering at least a dozen other artists publicly took a stand against the war and/or GW and barely got noticed. My son is serving year #2 in the Persian Gulf and I don't agree with the Iraq portion of the war. I think Bush got seriously sidetracked, and the real reason for the war is still hiding in Pakistan, Afghnaistan, or some stan over there. What about the "artists" who are making a living pumping out patriotic songs? (Toby Keith)?
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Post by robrhy on Nov 25, 2006 18:43:49 GMT -5
DIXIE CHICKS???who are they.
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Post by dd842 on Nov 27, 2006 16:08:45 GMT -5
I guess I don't pay too much attention to what artists do on their own (within reason). If I like their music and they aren't hurting anyone, fine.
On the other, if an egotistical jerk drives drunk, carries a hand gun, promotes hate or violence, I oppose that.
If an artist speaks out AGAINST war (presumably "for peace"?) , you would think that would be more acceptable than a lot of the other nonsense that goes on.
I guess you have to put it in context. Take Michael Moore, the heavy-set documentary dude and professional s**t disturber - you see it coming and his fans are those who admire that.
The Dixie Chicks' fans were used to three women singing in harmony, while playing acoustic instruments - which are NOT just for girls, thank you very much! ;-). Their remarks were out of left field - like your widower father introducing his "fiancee" - who you have never met - in a public announcement to you AND a bunch of strangers.
It caught people off their guard.
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Post by UnklMickey on Nov 27, 2006 16:30:54 GMT -5
note to Runewalker: ...acoustic instruments - which are NOT just for girls, thank you very much! ;-). ... |
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Post by dd842 on Nov 27, 2006 17:16:05 GMT -5
awe, man!
I always thought the kids were saying "dis"in' ...
Unk, are you "Dixie Chick"in' me?! ;-)
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Post by dunkelfalke on Nov 27, 2006 17:18:07 GMT -5
about instruments for girls this is my pupil  okay, the guitar and the gnx3000 are both mine, but nevertheless |
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Post by UnklMickey on Nov 28, 2006 9:53:54 GMT -5
...Unk, are you "Dixie Chick"in' me?! ;-) not you. Rune has been known to say "acoustics are for 'percent'-ies." just wanted to point out to him, i'm not the only one that has a proper respect for unplugged sound. cheers, unk |
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Post by mikesr1963 on Nov 28, 2006 16:14:53 GMT -5
Dixie who?
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Post by Runewalker on Dec 1, 2006 9:36:39 GMT -5
See, the whole 'acoustics are for girls' commment is an allegory to the DC's event and subsequent controversy. A little throwaway comment buried in a monologue, that the writer assumed would be missed because who's actually gonna read all this stuff anyway. But just to have a little fun, the writer puts in a little provocation to see if maybe we could illustrate how mobs work. Then someone finally catches it and takes umbrage, and take on the mission of fireing up the masses who missed it the first time around, .... suddenly Nashville radio stations are burning my CDs and Rune's getting death frets.
I actully put in two little IEDs to see what would happen .... the acoustic provocation and the one about Natalie's mouth. But, seems like the hoot'in-nanny set were the ones whose fuses got lit.
Rather poetically illustrates the whole DC-as-the-spawn-of-the-devil phenom, eh?
If'n anyone wants to set the philistine straight on the sublime merits of acoustics, I will sigh deeply, and deign to accept your J200 or big box Guild.
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Post by UnklMickey on Dec 4, 2006 9:07:24 GMT -5
...If'n anyone wants to set the philistine straight on the sublime merits of acoustics, I will sigh deeply, and deign to accept your J200 or big box Guild. golly Rune, i'm amazed at the sacrifices you are willing to make, in the interest of education! |
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Post by Ripper on Dec 6, 2006 18:34:26 GMT -5
Yes Runewalker I agree...
Anyone out there wants to part with their girly twanger...
My address is...
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Post by dd842 on Dec 7, 2006 10:44:46 GMT -5
What I am about to write could probably be in a new post, but it sort of fits here too.
When I was in high school back in the 80's, I played acoustic guitar very poorly and then tapered off from there. Encouraging, huh?
It wasn't until last year that I picked up a guitar again. I played acoustic for the first year and then bought an electric guitar - my first.
Compared to the acoustic, I found the electric was quite easy to play and to do things like barre chords, slides, bends, etc. (by the way, given my level of skill it is not necessarily a good thing that the amplifier is actually functional!)
Nevertheless, my question is this: Notwithstanding that every guitar has it's own place and style, which type of guitar (steel string acoustic, nylon string classical, or electric) is actually easiest to play?
Dan
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Post by ux4484 on Dec 7, 2006 11:00:14 GMT -5
Well, it's kind of hard to play bottleneck chords and strum like a maniac on a electric without causing something to buzz. And it's kind of hard to play power chords on an acoustic and make them sound right....IMO, you need some common ground.
I usually start with the acoustic, because playing both Bass and Guitar, it's the midpoint for maintaining finger strength. If I can nail it on the acoustic, I can wail with it on the electric.
BTW, on acoustics and guys who play them....Last summer we saw John Hiatt do a solo acoustic performance locally, nothing sissy about that guys acoustic playing.
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