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Post by Ripper on Mar 19, 2006 17:17:56 GMT -5
No one mentioned the Les Paul. I just thought id complete the story. My girlfriend says I have a gift for turning wine into water....sorry about that Servant!
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Post by servant on Mar 20, 2006 23:22:15 GMT -5
Hey, no problem. I was just messin' with you. Always happy to talk Zep, Beatles, etc and always willing to learn.
All I ever saw Page play was Les Pauls, the "double SG" (we used to call it before we knew it was an EDS-1275), and the Danelectro. It was quite a shock when I learned about the Tele on Stairway, then saw him play it on late-Yardbirds, early Zep stuff.
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Post by stratomaster on Mar 21, 2006 12:09:41 GMT -5
Michael Ross, in his book Getting Great Guitar Sounds: writes that tuning a 12-string so that the octaves are slightly out of tune will increase the richness of the sound. (It's in the chapter where he is explaining the chorus effect so maybe he's just mentioning it to illustrate what a chorus does, as opposed to suggesting that it's a good way to tune?) I can't try it cause I don't have a 12-string.
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Post by Mini-Strat_Maine on Mar 21, 2006 16:41:58 GMT -5
Michael Ross, in his book Getting Great Guitar Sounds: writes that tuning a 12-string so that the octaves are slightly out of tune will increase the richness of the sound. (It's in the chapter where he is explaining the chorus effect so maybe he's just mentioning it to illustrate what a chorus does, as opposed to suggesting that it's a good way to tune?) I can't try it cause I don't have a 12-string. Hmm, interesting concept. I've got two 12-strings, and an Ibanez LU10 chromatic tuner that has a "CALIB" button, to change the reference frequency (pitch of the A4 note). The range is 436-445 Hz, according to how you set it. I've been shooting for an "A 440" all this time, but I feel some serious experimenting coming on. Off to the Secret laboratory!
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Post by Ripper on Mar 25, 2006 15:11:17 GMT -5
I tune my 12 string like the book says to tune it. I have tried slight out of tune setup but I dont really care for it that much. Im a Libra, I must have symmetry. hehe!
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Post by sumgai on Mar 25, 2006 22:32:18 GMT -5
DB,
By slightly out-of-tune, they mean no more than 3 or 4 cents. If your tuner can't resolve to 1 cent, then don't bother trying to get this close, you're right, it won't work to do it by ear.
sumgai
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Post by UnklMickey on Apr 7, 2006 12:26:58 GMT -5
...it won't work to do it by ear... by ear is exactly the way to do it! we are not interested in the difference in root string pitch and octave string pitch in term of cents. we want to have a tuning error on the order of 1 ~ 4 Hz. i personally prefer it when the octave strings are slightly flat. to achieve this, first the root string is tuned to the exact pitch. the octave string is first tuned somewhat flat. during the final tuning, the octave string is played together with the root string. the tension on the octave string is slowly increased. when the "beating" slows to the desired rate, it's time to stop. it may be easier to hear, when you play a harmonic on the root string. if you get the beating to completely stop, the sound is cold and sterile. when tuned carefully, a chord will almost sound like its rotating around the room. unk
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Post by dunkelfalke on Apr 7, 2006 14:48:18 GMT -5
i didn't like the 12 string. will give the guitar to my father tomorrow.
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Post by Mini-Strat_Maine on Apr 7, 2006 15:28:21 GMT -5
i didn't like the 12 string. Sorry to hear that. Happy to hear that. Do you two ever play duets?
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Post by dunkelfalke on Apr 7, 2006 15:39:54 GMT -5
nope. for a strange reason he never wants to.
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Post by Ripper on Apr 23, 2006 15:04:05 GMT -5
I have now had my 12 string for about a month now. I cant seem to put it down ( Love making is awkward! ) My fingers have toughened up quite a bit, and it was well worth the money. My problem is that I keep breaking the thin G string! Is this common?
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Post by Mini-Strat_Maine on Apr 23, 2006 15:37:43 GMT -5
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Post by Ripper on Apr 23, 2006 19:41:17 GMT -5
Thanks Mini_Strat. Im glad to im not alone.
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Post by dunkelfalke on Apr 24, 2006 0:14:09 GMT -5
after i have broken that thin g-string on my twelver while tuning i have replaced it with a thick g string from a .10 electric set. no problems ever since
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Post by gitpiddler on Jan 15, 2009 23:51:38 GMT -5
I bought a Taylor 12 four days after this thread started but missed it. The comments about tuning made me think about something I came across about A=432 Hz versus 440. Certain rack tuners can adj. that low. The key being its a harmonic of 8 Hz which is the Alpha wave freq., etc. I saw a reference to the "Verdi A" also. 432 is a story in itself, involving pyamid dimensions and such. This was at one time the standard A before the 440 standard was decreed, by a Nazi even It's very relaxing, especially when comparing side-by-side. Also been listening to Solfeggio freq.'s, 528 Hz being the one that geneticists use to repair DNA. It makes you tingle ;D It's slightly above the C~523.251. CHECK 'EM OUT! As I've posted elsewhere, I love that Taylor 12. I also must play the Ovation (6) standing. And I also replace the plain G with a 10, using drop-D occasionally. How many of you know that our audio freq.'s are 40 octaves below the corresponding light spectrum freq.'s. HMM. git'ler on the side and listening
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Post by sydsbluesky on Aug 31, 2009 11:51:01 GMT -5
Sorta old post, but I'd never read it, and I was digging during lunch.
I have a Cort Earth 200-12 in natural finish (with it's shell for 350 out the door,) which was promptly discontinued after I bought mine in December of '08, and I tune the octaves a tiny bit flat once in a while...
I do this by ear, of course, the same way I always tune octaves on the 12, so I'm unsure on how flat. I use Unk's method.
It makes a difference on the chords, and I like the sound initially, but it kinda seems to get to me after a while. I always tune it back.
+1 for the Hz info, gitpiddler.
I'm going to try out 432. I've heard about it, and my Takamine built in tuner can go about 10 in either direction, I think. It's ideal for me, being a non singing guitarist and all, that can leave a guitar in non standard and not worry about having to use it to play with anyone.
As for being harder on the hands, this must be a specific guitar kinda thing. My Cort is a dream to play with the Martin lights. I actually find it softer on the fingers... kinda like a massage... like the same pressure down, just across twice the area. Then again, I'm used to playing my old beater acoustic with Martin Mediums and high action. I also put in several hours a day.
Not to mention the outstanding quality of every Cort guitar I have ever played... three or so. All under 400 bucks, too.
I've broken a few high Gs. I think they're about an .008, or something. Very small string.
As far as seated playing with the ovations... ugh... nice guitars, but I will never own one for that exact reason. It's worse than playing a Les Paul seated... but that big butt makes the LP ideal for standing. Apparently, this isn't the case with the Ovation.
I love me some fat bottomed guitars.
I think a 12 string is an ideal thing to add to your collection if you're an acoustic kinda guy. I've heard some pretty convincing 12 string modelers for electric, especially played dirty, that will probably cut it for most people who find themselves sitting down with an electric and plugging in a 10 watt amp to practice every day for every song.
But there's nothing quite so sweet as a four fingered G played on a well maintained 12 string, in my book.
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