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Post by ijustwannastrat on Jul 23, 2009 14:47:40 GMT -5
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Post by newey on Jul 23, 2009 15:46:37 GMT -5
The manufacturer's data sheet recommends against mixing the dye with oil-based finishes. While you propose using the dye underneath the gunstock oil, rather than mixing the two, I suspect you'd have a similar compatibility problem.
But then you indicate that you're just using the gunstock oil on the neck- with or without the dye?
If you do decide to go ahead with this, better get yourself a scrap piece of Alder first and test the procedure thoroughly first.
The dye can be cut with water, or with alcohol, which avoids the issue of water raising the grain of the wood. They also note that the best results are obtained with a gloss finish over the dye, and they recommend against a flat or matte finish coat. That would also seem to rule out use of gunstock oil over the top of the dye.
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Post by cynical1 on Jul 23, 2009 15:52:23 GMT -5
This will work. Use alcohol in the dye rather then water. It won't raise the grain on you like water based products do. This can work, and there are those here who swear by it. Personally, I prefer a hard finish. You apply it once and never have to do it again...but it's your call. Again, if you're into the work involved to produce and maintain this type of finish, have at it. If you play live and sweat, or run the risk of beer or other foreign object flying your way, then I would stay away from this...but again, the call is yours. This is not a good idea. It will not provide enough moisture protection to adequately prevent your neck from warping down the road. Many manufacturers of replacement necks, including ChrisK's favorite, will void your warranty if you oil the neck. I'd pass on this one. Always test your finishes BEFORE you go for the final application. It may lift it, darken it, or create a very interesting, albiet useless, result. Happy Trails Cynical One |
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Post by ChrisK on Jul 23, 2009 22:25:29 GMT -5
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Post by ijustwannastrat on Jul 25, 2009 14:57:25 GMT -5
The reason I want a more "matte" finish is simply because I loath gloss finishes. Don't get me wrong, they look beautiful many times, but I can not stand the feel of them. I constantly have either my palm or finger-tips on the body of the guitar (sort of Satriani-ish, from what I heard from local guitarists), and I love the feel of wood. I bought a Schecter Blackjack ATX last year, they sold it as "aged white satin", and when I got it (I tried out the black satin one, and it was a beautiful feel), they corrected the website and catalog to say "Aged White". I am currently selling this amazing guitar simply because I hate playing on gloss.
long story short, I thought about it, I could probably just dye the body, cover in the wax. Then use the gun stock oil on the neck. amirite? with the wax, I won't feel the oil, and it's just risking the dye looking bad to use oil.
also, when the warrenty on my Godin Freeway EMG went out, I stripped the semi-gloss off the neck and had my uncle put on some gun stock oil. Hasn't warped yet. He has a guitar that is FULLY gun stock oil, and I've seen him play gigs for 15+ years with it. Up in minnesota, that should be a deadly sin, right? I'm not worried about warpage or flying beer.
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Post by cynical1 on Jul 25, 2009 15:34:42 GMT -5
The reason I want a more "matte" finish is simply because I loath gloss finishes. ...satin lacquer... A trick I learned years ago is to spray a high gloss lacquer or poly first...about 3-4 coats. Then let it cure. Sand the gloss off of it and then spray 3-6 coats of satin lacquer or poly over it. This will give you a very slick finish and will make the grain pop out when the light hits it without it looking like a pine waterbed... You can also steel wool the back of the neck with the satin finish and make it slick as hell. If your hands stick to that type of finish I have to ask where they've been... For what it's worth... Happy Trails Cynical One |
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Post by ChrisK on Jul 25, 2009 20:54:09 GMT -5
Well, that's why I love the exotic woods. No finish required. No "choked breathing" applied against the wood. Fender advertises that their nitro finish allows their bodies (and hence yer wallet) to "breathe". Yeah, once it gurgles thru the poly undercoating.
There are some custom shop guitars made for a specific dealer that have only the nitro outer coats applied. Hmm, I wonder if the secret's getting out.
(However, if your guitar body IS breathing (or you just think that it is), I hate to ask where both you and it have been.)
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Post by D2o on Feb 16, 2010 10:03:19 GMT -5
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Post by cynical1 on Feb 16, 2010 12:11:47 GMT -5
Fender has been doing this for years. Anyone who's tried to re-finish anything Fender has made since the late 60's will tell you that.
Honestly, the whole lacquer, poly, oil, yak swet thing is really getting old with me... If you can play, you can play, if you can't, don't blame your finish.
The only reason you put a finish on wood is to keep dirt and moisture out of it. In my mind, for electric instruments, whatever does that and offers the best nick protection, I'm all for it. The only advantage lacquer has over the poly coating is that it's easier to fix chips, as the last lacquer coat melts into the previous ones. But, if you expose the same lacquer to temperature or altitude extremes it checks all over the place.
Unless the instrument is acoustic it makes precious little difference.
Well, that's enough of that rant...for now...
Happy Trails
Cynical One
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Post by D2o on Feb 16, 2010 13:10:21 GMT -5
Unless the instrument is acoustic it makes precious little difference. Yup, on an electric it’s pretty much a moot point, whereas on an acoustic it would seem to be a “mute” point – said goop affecting the tone perhaps something along the lines of what the leather cover must do to this innocent Martin. D2o  |
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Post by cynical1 on Feb 16, 2010 13:34:54 GMT -5
Even though that looks to be a removable cover, I'd be more concerned about what the tanning solutions from the leather would be doing to my hand rubbed nitro-glow-in-the-dark-better-then-sex finish?
And honestly, I never liked tooling on my saddles...but, some people's kids...
HTC1
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Post by D2o on Feb 16, 2010 13:56:19 GMT -5
Sounds like code from that "bashing the bishop" link. Yeah, yeah, I don't like that either! ;D
But that is the Elvis model ... it's all part of the experience. And if Elvis didn't pay no never-mind to to the effect that fried banana and peanut butter sandwiches had on him, I doubt he paid much attention to the effect that his bag of leather had on his guitar.
D2o
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