series parallel for strat

[tdub]

Is it possible to series/ parallel a strat like fender does with the s 1 switching using just a push pull for the vol and all other equipment to be original. Thanks
Tim

[newey]

tdub-

Hello and Welcome!

Sorry about moving your thread, but it belongs here, not in completed schematics. That's OK, first timers get a mulligan!

You might want to consider ChrisK's "3 Single Coils and the "S-None Switch".

[tdub]

oops sorry about that, it was my intention to post it under electronics and wiring but i went to look at the schematic section to see if there was anything there that was close to what i was looking for and i forgot where i was at and posted it in the schematic section by mistake.

I looked at that thread first and i guess it is kind of similar but not exactly what i am looking for.

What i am looking for is the standard 5 positions, but when you pull the pot it makes positions 2 and 4 into series instead of parallel.

i thought that is what the s1 switch does but maybe i am wrong. When i played a strat that had that, even when you activated the switch it seemed to only make a difference in the 2 and 4 position, 1, 3, and 5 still sounded the same (normal single coil)

[ChrisK]

The first version of the "3 Single Coils and the "S-None Switch" design does the following:

"The Mega Switch E alone realizes the following combinations, all but #3 are the same as the Fender ones:
1. Bridge
2. Bridge + Middle
3. Bridge + Neck
4. Neck + Middle
5. Neck

I personally prefer the B + N rather than the middle in position #3 since it is more Tele-like.

With the addition of only a DPDT switch (the S-1 is a 4PDT switch), the following additional combinations are realized, exactly as my Fender Am Dlx SSS Strat does:

1. Middle * Bridge
2. Middle * (Bridge + "Special Cap")
3. Middle * (Bridge + Neck)
4. Middle * (Neck + "Special Cap")
5. Middle * Neck"


The second version of the "3 Single Coils and the "S-None Switch" does the following:

For those that want to use the traditional Strat 5-way switch, here's a design that uses the Schaller Mega Switch equivalent (or the standard Fender 5-way lever switch).

"The Mega Switch S alone realizes the following combinations:
1. Bridge
2. Bridge + Middle
3. Middle
4. Neck + Middle
5. Neck


With the addition of only a DPDT switch (the S-1 is a 4PDT switch), the following additional combinations are realized, almost like my Fender Am Dlx SSS Strat does:

1. Middle * Bridge
2. Middle * (Bridge + "Special Cap")
3. Middle * "Special Cap" [different]
4. Middle * (Neck + "Special Cap")
5. Middle * Neck"


Each design does 9 out of 10 positions exactly the same as the Fender SSS S-1 Strat that requires a 4P5T lever super switch and a 4PDT switch.

Each does 1 out of 10 differently, but only requires the standard Fender 5-way lever switch or the Schaller MegaSwitch "E", and a DPDT switch.


I personally prefer the B + N rather than the middle in position #3 since it is more Tele-like, therefore, I prefer the version with the Schaller MegaSwitch "E" and a DPDT PP pot.

I looked at that thread first and i guess it is kind of similar but not exactly what i am looking for.

So what exactly are you looking for as both of these designs "series/parallel a Strat the way that the Fender S-1 switch does"?

[tdub]

ok the more i study it the more i can see it. I still have a couple of questions though. What is the order of the pickups, i am relating the 20080922 drawing to the stock one except the stock one isn't quite the same as the wiring in my guitar. It looks to me that the left most pup is neck then to the right would be middle then bridge. And is the dpdt on one of the tones on the drawing? i was going to put it on the volume, can i assume that i can use it anywhere and the drawing stays the same i would just reconfigure it to the vol pot?
Thanks

[newey]

And is the dpdt on one of the tones on the drawing?

Yes, but you can adapt the diagram quite easily to the pot of your preference.

It looks to me that the left most pup is neck then to the right would be middle then bridge.

Correct, but it is better to realize that the lugs on the switch are numbered 1, 2 and 3, and the pickup selections are numbered 1-5 (in the inset to the left), with the bridge designated as "1". So the pickup connected to the #1 lug on the switch is therefore the bridge, #2 is the mid, etc.

A wiring diagram is not necessarily a layout diagram. The representations in the diagram might have been in another order for clarity in showing the wiring.

[tdub]

newey- thanks for that, you really have to enlarge to see those #'s and i would have never enlarged it that much.

[tdub]

also the cap on the dpdt what difference would it be if i ran a .022 or a .047. would that be acceptable or would it be too much of a difference?

Thanks for all the help

Tim

[ChrisK]

The drawing is both a wiring diagram as well as a layout diagram as the components are in the positions that one would see when looking at the underside of a right-handed Strat pickguard. The numbering is irrelevant.

The initial standard 5-way lever switch diagram is pretty much what Fender sells in most Strats. The S-none modified drawing shows the wiring changes effected for the conversion.

I would start with a 0.022 uF film cap for the "special cap" (I never use ceramic caps).

[tdub]

I just finished this mod and i also shielded it. It sounds amazing!! I have a les paul that i play most of the time and this strat is a knock off that i got for a gift, its a $150 silvertone that is made of plywood, but it has decent pups and a nice neck so i have always enjoyed playing it but i was never much of a strat gut though. I think i like it more than my paul now. I do have one question though. My neck tone, when turned down, shuts the guitar off. The only thing that i knowingly wired differently is the cap between the two tones. In the picture it shows the cap being grounded and i wired it directly to the other tone pot instead, because of the shielding, but i probably should have wired it to the star ground point. After looking at the picture today, I think this is why its acting this way, but i thought someone might be able to say for certain before i cut my strings off to change it. Also if i wanted to use separate caps for each tone how would i wire that.

Thanks
Tim

[ChrisK]

In the picture it shows the cap being grounded and i wired it directly to the other tone pot instead,

What does this mean?

Can you mark what you did on the drawing and post it. I have no interest in guessing.

[tdub]

chris, after studying the picture more, i am sure that i did it wrong. I am not sure how to post the picture and then mark on it, so i will attempt to explain what i did. In the picture, under the title "3 single coils and the "s-none switch" there is a picture titled "std strat 5- way wiring 20080922 w/ s-none switch.
when i wired the guitar it was getting late, so i was running out of brain power and the ability to reason. so on the neck tone pot the cap grounds to the pot then goes to high side of same pot, then goes to wiper of middle tone pot. what i did is i put the cap between the two pots, but still grounded the high side of neck tone pot. i am fairly certain that this is not right, but i was hoping you would be able to say if that would cause the neck tone to shut the guitar off when the neck tone is turned down. Also if i wanted to use a individual cap for each tone pot how would i wire it.

Thanks for your help

Tim

[ChrisK]

Click on the "3 Single Coils and the "S-None Switch" link.

Scroll down to the picture of discussion.

Save that picture to your PC.

Edit it with Paint.

Save it as a .jpg

Attach it to your post reply as I have done using the attachment function at the top of the response page.

You can even reuse my clean example picture as the basis for your drawing.

Attachments:

[sumgai]

OOOPS!

ChrisK, newey and I are the only ones who can "attach" files to posts - the function of which Chris spoke is visible only to the three of us. It was decided by the Powers That Be that allowing just any old body to attach a file would be nothing less than asking for trouble - the potential for abuse is just too large to ignore, or to pray that it never happens.

This is because ProBoards provided no mechanism to the board Admins so that they could narrow the scope of what could be attached - absolutely anything could be attached to one's post.... need I go into detail about malware disguised as candy? (Hell, they didn't even give us the ability to disable for our own selves.)

While we often include sound clips and images, we already have tags for that. (We can even include YouTube videos!) The ability to include absolutely anything would, sooner or later, attract a new "member" with less-than-honorable intentions, and you can all guess the rest of that story.

If anyone needs help with including clips or images into their post, or wants to know how to download said clips/images, one needs only ask, and we'll be more than glad to help.

Thanks for understanding.




sumgai
(Under Assistant Deputy Administrator)

[ChrisK]

I apologize, I wasn't aware of the limited circulation of the secret decoder ring.


Sooo,

Click on the "3 Single Coils and the "S-None Switch" link.

Scroll down to the picture of discussion.

Save that picture to your PC.

Edit it with Paint.

Save it as a .jpg

Upload it to your free picture hosting site (such as www.photobucket.com )

Follow these instructions to embed the link thereto within your post.

Image Posting

[sumgai]

Thanks, Chris!

newey thought I'd told you, and I thought he'd told you..... Sorry for the mixup.

[ChrisK]

No worries, I just feel more powerfuller or something.