From Russia with Tremseter : trem stabilizer

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Basically it is shown here :


I ordered it, the guy who makes them is a very decent old Man (cough cough) who most probably does this as a hobby, he has no company behind him. I'll put it on later this evening. My aim is to increase sustain (yes again!!)

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Installed it on the carvin first (DC135), works like a breeze!!! It is the first double action (dive/pull) trem stabilizer that I know of that does not require intrusive permanent modification to the guitar. Took me about 5-10 to set it up! Sustain improved. Next Target Ibanez uv70p. It is so good I am thinking of ordering another!

[sumgai]

gd,

I'm not too sure just where this guy is gonna find a patent, as the device has been out in roughly the same form factor since, oh... the early 1980s?  In 1987, Fender installed the Hipshot Tremsetter into their Strat Ultra models, stock out of the box.  Hipshot had been making them for some time before striking that deal with Fender.  In fact, you can find them around the web right now, usually going for less than $40 USD.

I've installed several of them for customers, over the years, and in general, everyone is very happy with the results.  I always planned to turn my guitar in very short order, and I usually go for the sales pitch "it's absolutely stock".  Since my current Strat never had it in the first place, I didn't install one.  OTOH, no matter what I did for bending, it always came back to in-tune anyways.  I attribute that to using stainless steel strings by Dean Markley, but what do I know?

But in the final analysis, if it suits you, and the cost wasn't  prohibitive, then good for you!

sumgai

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Hello SG! The cost is about half of hipshot (20 EUR) + it requires no drilling at all. Compare the 5-10 mins needed for the Russian trem stabilizer to the hipshot installation The gentleman who makes this owns at least one patent in the Russian patent office.

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I tried it and on the Ibanez UV70p (7 strings). This installation was even easier. A total of 5 minutes. This time not even screwing / unscrewing the claw!!!! Unbelievable! The sustain became more "consistent" and predictable without being increased on average. (which strengthens my belief that sustain is 99% dependent on wood alone). The tuning stability from very good became perfect. Ultimately, however, the result did not blow me, meaning that the sound was already good anyway, and stability was not a problem from the start. I was hoping to increase sustain at the 24th fret which from 3-3.5 seconds to 5+, but didn't happen. So I took it off and will either put back in the Carvin or in the Kramer (FR) or the strat.
Generally I think that for the money (20EUR) compares well to the competition! Too bad there is no company behind it, because IMHO it really is a superior design, the man (an elderly gentleman named Alexandr Chromov) has a patent on this in Russian patent registry.

[sumgai]

gd,

Well, I agree, not every country in the world recognizes patents from other countries, so it's very possible for this man (A.C.) to have his patent in his country. That being said, he has only refined an already existing idea. In point of fact, the Hipshot (and by extension, the Fender variation) are only two examples of numerous iterations, in various stages of desirability. I don't know why Hipshot hasn't updated their videos in several years, today's units don't look much like the original items, either.

As to cost, 20 euros (my keyboard doesn't do the euro sign, and I'm in too much of a hurry to look up the Alt code...) beats almost everyone else on the planet.  Either A.C. is gonna be rich, or else he's gonna be paying lawyers to protect his patent, because mark my words, somebody outside of Russia is gonna get the idea of copying this, and selling it for even less - probably a company large enough to have facilities to make it in quantity, and with lawyers on staff to make life miserable for anyone who protests.

Even so, I'm still rooting for him, this looks like a good deal all around.  And particularly at his age, he's gonna need all the help he can get in making his fortune off this thing - getting old ain't pretty, and it takes money to make it through to the end - ask me how I know!

sumgai

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Some pics!

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Finally I put it on the Ibanez again:














result : sustain consistent, superb tuning stability, sustain on par with the Carvin, I spent considerable time assessing sustain and comparing with the Carvin.

[pyrroz]

PROPHETIC !!!

Mar 23, 2016 11:58:08 GMT -5 sumgai said:

gd,

Either A.C. is gonna be rich, or else he's gonna be paying lawyers to protect his patent, because mark my words, somebody outside of Russia is gonna get the idea of copying this, and selling it for even less - probably a company large enough to have facilities to make it in quantity, and with lawyers on staff to make life miserable for anyone who protests.

sumgai

www.thomann.de/gr/guitars_upgrade_tremmory_m.htm?glp=1&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiA3uGqBhDdARIsAFeJ5r0vUb-wLfeyMcjFMPJ8RlFtirzkT8M9wrGsKG4646AL8If2WL3OidkaAnmREALw_wcB

Thomann getting shameless again

[cynical1]

Nov 19, 2023 2:56:26 GMT -5 pyrroz said:

Thomann getting shameless again

...and all for only around 500% more, too... Progress.

HTC1

[pyrroz]

Here is the patent in RU patent registry : patenton.ru/patent/RU2407067C1.pdf

I contacted the guy, only to hear that he has perfected the design, but now he asks about 150 EUR for 3 pieces .... It seems that Thomann killed it .... If you have bought the thing for 20 EUR, its hard to pay 50, and even harder to pay thomann 110. That said, I didn't quite liked his .... adaptation to the ... market ... I prefer the old Chromov . So ....

[thetragichero]

i remember watching a recording engineer stuff a pad of post-it notes into a strat tuned down to c# to keep the silly stick from making the tuning go wonky