Les Paul Wiring and Treble Bleed Circuit

[pablogilberto]

I just realized that we actually have 4 different ways to wire a "standard" Les Paul 2V 2T.

We can choose between Independent vs Dependent Volumes.
We can also choose between Modern vs 50s wiring.

By Independent Volume, I mean the other pickup is not affected by the other when both are active (mid switch position) i.e. The other pickup will not shut off when one volume is set to zero.
This is wired by putting the Pickup into the middle lug of the Volume pot.

By Dependent Volume, both pickup will shut when you set 1 volume to zero (at mid switch position).
This is wired by putting the Pickup into the upper/left lug of the Volume pot.

By Modern, I mean the Tone Control goes before the Volume Control.
Tone control is wired in the upper/left lug of the Volume pot.

By 50s wiring, I mean the Tone Control goes after the Volume Control.

Tone control is wired in the middle lug of the Volume pot.

The 4 options are:
1. Independent - Modern
2. Independent - 50s

3. Dependent - Modern

4. Dependent - 50s

I have read some comments that Dependent Wiring for LPs do not suffer from Treble loss when rolling down the volume knobs. www.planetz.com/riviera-p-93-middle-pickup-mods/
I don't understand why and if that is correct?

It's like they are saying that the only "problem" with Dependent wiring is that, you will sound when 1 volume is set to zero (at mid position of course).

Any thoughts on this?
Am I missing something?

[sumgai]

Pablo,



Can I assume that you've already perused John's thoughts on the topic:

Modern vs. 50s wiring





sumgai

[ashcatlt]

Normal (dependent) wiring looses treble as you turn down the V mostly due to cable capacitance.

Backwards (independent) wiring does that too, but also loses treble from the inductance of the pickup being over a smaller resistance. It pretty much has to be darker than the normal way any time the V is not on 10.

It also has that thing where there is no real shorted-output silent OFF position on the guitar. Turn both Vs down, and the cable is still hanging hundred of Kohms up in the air to get blown about by whatever EM winds happen to prevail.

I’ve never quite understood why you’d turn one pickup all the way down with the switch in the middle position like that. This is literally what the switch is for. If you don’t want a mix of the two pickups, just flip the thing. If I’m turning just one V all the way down, it’s because I want a silent position on the switch, and I’m fine if there ends up being two of them because I’m only gonna use the one pickup anyway.