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Post by thedoc735 on Aug 6, 2020 16:22:21 GMT -5
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Post by ourclarioncall on Aug 6, 2020 21:00:17 GMT -5
Hmm, I had a listen earlier and again now and I’m not sure If you could give some details such as what pickup your using , bridge middle or neck What type of guitar What type of amp if your using one Or how you are recording it Also if you played a few chords and a scale or melody or something would help , just something really simple . Also maybe a clean sound, crunch sound and distortion sound would help Maybe others can hear right away but I would need more help |
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Post by thedoc735 on Aug 6, 2020 22:04:43 GMT -5
...let's see if anyone else can 'stick their neck out' before I reveal more details?
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Post by thedoc735 on Aug 7, 2020 17:14:29 GMT -5
Hmm, I had a listen earlier and again now and I’m not sure If you could give some details such as what pickup your using , bridge middle or neck What type of guitar What type of amp if your using one Or how you are recording it Also if you played a few chords and a scale or melody or something would help , just something really simple . Also maybe a clean sound, crunch sound and distortion sound would help Maybe others can hear right away but I would need more help Hi, thanks for listening to the sound sample! Seems like you're the only one willing to give an opinion on this? what else am I willing to divulge? Well, it's a PRS SE Custom 22 with 2 seymour duncan pickups (bridge/neck). this is its wiring:  I selected both pickups with 'regular' phase and no spilt coils! So, the sound you heard should be full humbuckers - yes? ...unless of course there is any reason to suspect otherwise? I am using a laptop with a behringer USB guitar interface. plus Audacity app. for recording. Cheers! |
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Post by ourclarioncall on Aug 7, 2020 18:21:51 GMT -5
GN2 is like a garden , you sow a feed seeds, give them time and eventually it will rain and the sun will come out. Sometimes there is a great flurry of answers and dialogue, the next time it’s quiet for a while. I just go with the flow. Sow the seed, somebody will probably get to it eventually
Back to your guitar
I’m a guitar teacher and hear different guitars all the time but online i find it quite challenging . There are a lot of variables
First off I would say it would help me personally if you played with just the bridge pickup . It would help even more if I could hear the split coil sound so as to have a contrast and comparison.
I have a similar interface that you use called irig and use on iPhone and apps like AmpliTube . Again, it’s producing a different sound that is less like real life playing through an amp, so many folk may not be used to it to be able to make a proper judgment
Sometimes a humbucker gives a roar type sound with high gain /distortion . That’s a sound I recognise. If you were to play the first two string of an open A chord , which gives you a type of power chord . Just those two string with a high gain sound and splitting the coil and returning it back to humbucker and playing again. Hit the strings HARD . No harder than that . No, even harder ! You get the point .
The guitar sounded a wee bit out of tune . If you get it really in tune that can also help . Get a free app on your phone such as “insTuner” or “guitar tuna”
InsTuner or any “strobe tuner” will give you better tuning accuracy
Possibly if you had a recording of a real amp that would be better . Even record it on your phone as a video and put the phone nice and close to the speaker , then upload to YouTube . Easy to open an account and upload a vid via the YouTube app.
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Post by thedoc735 on Aug 8, 2020 2:35:55 GMT -5
GN2 is like a garden , you sow a feed seeds, give them time and eventually it will rain and the sun will come out. Sometimes there is a great flurry of answers and dialogue, the next time it’s quiet for a while. I just go with the flow. Sow the seed, somebody will probably get to it eventually Back to your guitar I’m a guitar teacher and hear different guitars all the time but online i find it quite challenging . There are a lot of variables First off I would say it would help me personally if you played with just the bridge pickup . It would help even more if I could hear the split coil sound so as to have a contrast and comparison. I have a similar interface that you use called irig and use on iPhone and apps like AmpliTube . Again, it’s producing a different sound that is less like real life playing through an amp, so many folk may not be used to it to be able to make a proper judgment Sometimes a humbucker gives a roar type sound with high gain /distortion . That’s a sound I recognise. If you were to play the first two string of an open A chord , which gives you a type of power chord . Just those two string with a high gain sound and splitting the coil and returning it back to humbucker and playing again. Hit the strings HARD . No harder than that . No, even harder ! You get the point . The guitar sounded a wee bit out of tune . If you get it really in tune that can also help . Get a free app on your phone such as “insTuner” or “guitar tuna” InsTuner or any “strobe tuner” will give you better tuning accuracy Possibly if you had a recording of a real amp that would be better . Even record it on your phone as a video and put the phone nice and close to the speaker , then upload to YouTube . Easy to open an account and upload a vid via the YouTube app. I will do a bridge pickup sample and neck sample soon, also when split. I am very sorry but I don't do metal and distortion tones. I have a D'Addario Planet Waves ECLIPSE Clip-On Headstock Guitar Tuner. No mobile phone! I'm sorry again, but at the moment I don't have a dedicated amp and speakers for guitar, but with my cheapo mics. it would sound naff anyway - lol. I already have a youtube 'space'/account. But also have audio/sound upload spaces on the cloud e.g. soundcloud. thank you respectfully for your time! |
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Post by ourclarioncall on Aug 8, 2020 6:19:35 GMT -5
Cool, just use what you’ve got . Check out some of these apps, you can download free versions of some of them on pc/Mac and all of them on iPhone GE LABS has tons of free sounds, good clean ones too and AMPLITUBE is good some of them have free or paid for recording in them too you can use your interface to work with them  |
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Post by newey on Aug 8, 2020 7:00:38 GMT -5
interesting to this discussion is antigua's recent post, in Pickup Testing, about GITEC wide-ranging HBs:
I listened to your clip, doc, but with the tiny speakers on my laptop, I couldn't tell much.
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Post by frets on Aug 8, 2020 11:30:07 GMT -5
Hey Clarion,
You’re right, Amplitube is an awesome app!!
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Post by ourclarioncall on Aug 8, 2020 11:37:45 GMT -5
Hey Clarion, You’re right, Amplitube is an awesome app!! Sure is my friend 🙂 I’ve heard that your guitar will sound even better if it goes into a good quality audio interface or even better if it goes into a good quality DI box , then into an audio interface . That’s if your using it on a Mac or pc of course I only have the irig (cheap ) into my iPhone and it sounds good, also tried it into my Mac but there was a lot of latency So was tempted to buy the irig hd2. A good audio interface would probably be a better choice tho . I did buy one but couldn’t get it working and couldn’t get drivers to work. A lot of folk are turning to using there guitar through the computer using good monitors . I’m going on this direction. Still love guitar amps but as you know they can be too loud etc. |
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Post by ourclarioncall on Aug 8, 2020 11:54:02 GMT -5
Hey Clarion, You’re right, Amplitube is an awesome app!! Sure is my friend 🙂 I’ve heard that your guitar will sound even better if it goes into a good quality audio interface or even better if it goes into a good quality DI box , then into an audio interface . That’s if your using it on a Mac or pc of course I only have the irig (cheap ) into my iPhone and it sounds good, also tried it into my Mac but there was a lot of latency So was tempted to buy the irig hd2. A good audio interface would probably be a better choice tho . I did buy one but couldn’t get it working and couldn’t get drivers to work. A lot of folk are turning to using there guitar through the computer using good monitors . I’m going on this direction. Still love guitar amps but as you know they can be too loud etc. |
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Post by frets on Aug 8, 2020 12:22:28 GMT -5
Clarion,
What software were you using when you had the driver problems and what OS?
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Post by thedoc735 on Aug 9, 2020 7:35:39 GMT -5
Cool, just use what you’ve got . Check out some of these apps, you can download free versions of some of them on pc/Mac and all of them on iPhone GE LABS has tons of free sounds, good clean ones too and AMPLITUBE is good some of them have free or paid for recording in them too you can use your interface to work with them I also have a "LINE 6 POD X3 LIVE GUITAR MULTI EFFECTS UNIT".  |
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Post by thedoc735 on Aug 9, 2020 7:38:17 GMT -5
interesting to this discussion is antigua's recent post, in Pickup Testing, about GITEC wide-ranging HBs: I listened to your clip, doc, but with the tiny speakers on my laptop, I couldn't tell much. could you download the sample and play it through a HI-HI? |
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Post by ourclarioncall on Aug 9, 2020 7:43:53 GMT -5
Clarion, What software were you using when you had the driver problems and what OS? The drivers were for a very old audio interface I bought to use with AmpliTube AmpliTube works fine on Mac with OS X and using irig as an interface , but it’s Got latency issues . Maybe coz of my computer or coz I need a better audio interface . But using irig into AmpliTube on my iPhone it’s great , no latency |
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Post by thedoc735 on Aug 9, 2020 7:44:14 GMT -5
Hey Clarion, You’re right, Amplitube is an awesome app!! Sure is my friend 🙂 I’ve heard that your guitar will sound even better if it goes into a good quality audio interface or even better if it goes into a good quality DI box , then into an audio interface . That’s if your using it on a Mac or pc of course I only have the irig (cheap ) into my iPhone and it sounds good, also tried it into my Mac but there was a lot of latency So was tempted to buy the irig hd2. A good audio interface would probably be a better choice tho . I did buy one but couldn’t get it working and couldn’t get drivers to work. A lot of folk are turning to using there guitar through the computer using good monitors . I’m going on this direction. Still love guitar amps but as you know they can be too loud etc. MONITORS - active or inactive? |
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Post by ourclarioncall on Aug 9, 2020 7:56:05 GMT -5
thedoc735im just a baby with all this stuff. I’m currently just getting the sound through my tv speakers which is not that great. i have been researching tho. there is a bit of a difference between hifi stereo speaks and monitors. It’s worth researching I talk to guys on YouTube and try to find out what they use and how they use it some like ik multimedia micro monitors or something similar . I want to get a proper audio interface like a focusrite scarrlet which will help with latency and also have good inputs for guitar and good outputs for monitors /speakers it’s worth engaging with AmpliTube or similar users on YouTube to learn more. the latest recommendation I’ve heard is to get a good quality guitar signal into plugins or apps is to use D.I box into an audio interface but just use what you’ve got and try different things , you may be surprised at the increase in sound quality. if your on a pc/Mac I would definitely recommend getting a free trial of something like bias fx 2 or AmpliTube , which I think can be used inside other programs like garage band or other daws
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Post by thedoc735 on Aug 9, 2020 11:14:06 GMT -5
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Post by ourclarioncall on Aug 11, 2020 15:52:42 GMT -5
Sorry Doc, I did listen after you posted but never replied as I wasn’t sure
I really don’t know much about humbuckers and all the coil windings etc
There seems to be an obvious contrast between the normal neck humbucker and the split
Bridge seems a little less of a contrast from what I remember hearing but that may be typical of bridge humbucker /split
Maybe someone else can advise
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Post by thedoc735 on Aug 12, 2020 6:26:55 GMT -5
OK thanks!
I have been told not to use the 'like' button or 'quote' by the admins!
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Post by ourclarioncall on Aug 12, 2020 6:34:55 GMT -5
OK thanks! I have been told not to use the 'like' button or 'quote' by the admins! I still need to sit down and suss out all the quoting and replying stuff , but my son is never off my home computer so I’m always on my phone which uses a mobile version of pro boards with less options. As a temporary fix , everytime I have to switch to desktop mode then I just use the tagging option to reply to people instead of quoting as I have been guilty as charged with clogging up the thread with multiple and mixed up quotes 😊 , so this makes it quicker and easier and no clutter. |
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Post by thedoc735 on Aug 12, 2020 8:30:00 GMT -5
...don't know how to tag!
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Post by ourclarioncall on Aug 12, 2020 9:58:34 GMT -5
I don’t know if tagging is the best alternative method , but here’s how to do it. Click on the circled icon  Type the persons name in the search box until it comes up, then click on the name of the person  It will now appear in your reply and the person will be notified that your have replied. I think ! I’ve never been tagged so I’m not sure . I have set up email notifications . Sometimes if people reply or comment I dont always get a notification tho. Little bit complicated all this stuff if your not using it regularly  |
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Post by thedoc735 on Aug 12, 2020 16:05:33 GMT -5
many thanks!
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Post by newey on Aug 12, 2020 16:09:01 GMT -5
I have been told not to use the 'like' button or 'quote' by the admins! Doc- to be clear, that is not at all what I said. Please refer back to my PM to you the other day. ourclarioncall: Consider yourself "tagged"! You should therefore see a small "1" next to your "profile" button on the menu bar at the top. Click on your profile, go to "notifications", and it will show who tagged you, and in which thread. You can then click on the notification to go directly to that thread. Once you view the notification, the number disappears, but the information is still in your list of notifications. (If two people tag you, or if you get a "like", you'll see a "2" by your profile instead of a "1", etc.) |
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Post by ashcatlt on Aug 12, 2020 19:28:13 GMT -5
So anyway, two HBs in parallel will have an overall frequency response more like that of an SC than of a single HB. The harmonic balance will be a mix of the bridge and neck, and it will probably be overall louder than a single coil, but the cutoff at the top end will be something like an octave higher, and probably with more resonance, than we’d expect from any one humbucker by itself.
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Post by thedoc735 on Aug 13, 2020 18:26:12 GMT -5
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Post by thedoc735 on Aug 13, 2020 18:26:47 GMT -5
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Post by ashcatlt on Aug 13, 2020 22:33:14 GMT -5
thedoc735 - NP, dude! Glad to help. Note that a parallel combination of SCs will be even brighter. We'd expect the middle position on an SG to be darker than the middle position on a Tele, but yeah still brighter than either of its own HBs alone. If you want the darker sound (lower cutoff) that we expect from an HB with the harmonic blend of the combination, you'd have to split both HBs (preferably to opposite coils for hum reasons) and then combine the remaining coils in series. This is one of my favorite sounds on my hybrid switching nightmare thing. I use the middle HB on its own a lot more often, but that's only because the switch for the neck pickup has gone all janky and I can't be bothered to actually open it up and finger that out. Edit - Also, I only just now listened to your thing and I really don't have an opinion on the OP question. This stuff is relative and depends on so many other factors. Without something to compare it to, it's a lot like...you ever hear that thing "how long is a piece of string?" But in this case it's almost like "is a piece of string long enough?" Or something, IDK. It sounds like a sound you could probably do something with. That performance of the Emin7add11 arpeggio song isn't doing it many favors.  PPS - When I play an unmodded 2 pickup guitar (and yes, I own several - HB, SC, P90), I usually just park that switch in the middle and go.
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Post by thedoc735 on Aug 13, 2020 23:09:49 GMT -5
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