help rewire Ibanez AZES31 w new switch

[glee]

hello i made my previous post before reading the guidelines, so i shall try again. I would like to replace the switch in my ibanez aze (newer model) and i cannot find any resources on the wiring of this particular SSS model.

the guitar is an SSS with 1V, 1T, 5-way switch, 1mini-toggle

when the mini toggle is off, the guitar functions as a normal strat

1. bridge
2. bridge+middle (p)
3. middle
4. neck+middle (p)
5. neck

once on, the toggle alters positions 1,3,5 (2+4 are not changed)

1. bridge+ middle (s)
2.bridge+middle (p)
3. bridge + neck (p)
4. neck+middle (p)
5. neck + middle (s)


i would like to keep the format the same (1v, 1t, 5-way switch, on/off mini toggle

could anyone be so kind to explain how to pull this off using a super switch? i would really like to get rid of the thuddy stock switch, but it is a proprietary ibanez switch (pcb) with the pickups hot+ cold connections soldered to one side, and an 8-pin clip coming from the mini toggle connected to the other, with the pickup grounds soldered to lugs on the side of the switch as well. any help would be appreciated!

[newey]

glee-

Hello and Welcome to G-Nutz2!

I was responding to your previous post when you deleted it. You were having trouble uploading images, and I was pointing you to the instructions for doing so, which are in our Forum Info section (in "Harmonious Notes")

Your current post does clarify things more. Still, a few questions. Am I right in assuming that "p" and "s" in your list of switch positions refer to the pickup combinations being in parallel versus series? Second, in your previous post, you mentioned a Megaswitch M; now you said a Superswitch. Which one will you be using- the two types are equivalent, but the connections will differ. Also, will you be reusing the mini-toggle? If so, we will probably need some well-focused images of that 8-pin clip to which you referred.

[glee]

Dec 8, 2021 12:03:31 GMT -5 newey said:

glee-

Hello and Welcome to G-Nutz2!

I was responding to your previous post when you deleted it. You were having trouble uploading images, and I was pointing you to the instructions for doing so, which are in our Forum Info section (in "Harmonious Notes")

Your current post does clarify things more. Still, a few questions. Am I right in assuming that "p" and "s" in your list of switch positions refer to the pickup combinations being in parallel versus series? Second, in your previous post, you mentioned a Megaswitch M; now you said a Superswitch. Which one will you be using- the two types are equivalent, but the connections will differ. Also, will you be reusing the mini-toggle? If so, we will probably need some well-focused images of that 8-pin clip to which you referred.

yes the p: parallel and s: series. i actually have a schaller mega switch type s+t if that will work. im sorry for confusion. i would like to reuse everything except the 5-way switch if possible. i will upload pics of switch and connections momentarily!

[glee]

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ah that kind of Super Switch

Im not Impressed with this "Mega Switch"

SCHALLER
Does the same as a cheap S-Type at 75p vs Mega Switch at £17.50

[glee]

Dec 8, 2021 13:02:59 GMT -5 @angellahash said:

ah that kind of Super Switch

Im not Impressed with this "Mega Switch"

SCHALLER
Does the same as a cheap S-Type at 75p vs Mega Switch at £17.50

It is much more tactile and clicky than the stock ibanez switch. it’s honestly something I had laying around from a previous project and was wondering if it could be used?

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i cant change much inside the switch like i can with the S-Type


4P5T Super Switch and some of the Site Memebers will be SPITTING at me because the "HOT"

[glee]

Dec 8, 2021 13:47:48 GMT -5 @angellahash said:

i cant change much inside the switch like i can with the S-Type


4P5T Super Switch and some of the Site Memebers will be SPITTING at me because the "HOT"

im not entirely sure what i’m looking at:/ could you perhaps label the switch/ toggle? i just need more of a reference. im not sure where wires coming from/going. im a little green i will admit.

[newey]

Dec 8, 2021 15:30:28 GMT -5 glee said:

im not entirely sure what i’m looking at:/ could you perhaps label the switch/ toggle? i just need more of a reference. im not sure where wires coming from/going. im a little green i will admit.

First off, @angellahash's diagram is a schematic, not a wiring diagram. It is drawn using a 4-pole Superswitch and a DPDT "On-On" toggle switch He uses only 3 of the 4 poles of the superswitch; the commons of each pole are labeled "C", with the corresponding lugs numbered 1-5 for each pole. The DPDT toggle is in the upper right of the diagram, with its lugs labeled 1 through 6. The three pickups are shown as inductors (which in fact they are); these are the 3 squiggly lines at the left-hand side. Each one has a "+" symbol to indicate the "hot" line.

To implement his scheme, you would need to buy a Superswitch or a Megaswitch M. These are both 4-pole, 5 throw switchs ("4P5T"). For a Superswitch, angellahash's diagram will translate directly; for the Megaswitch M, the lug assignments are differently ordered, so the diagram would still be used, but we would need to translate the switch lug labeling to reflect the differences.

You stated that the switch you have is a Megaswitch "S+T". Per Schaller's website, that type is only a 3-position switch, not 5, so it won't be suitable for your needs. That Ibanez toggle switch is apparently also a specialized switch, to work with their proprietary 5-way switch; I can't tell what it's doing from your photos, but getting a standard DPDT On-On toggle is no problem, they're fairly cheap. But you would have to buy either a Superswitch or Megaswitch M, as you need at least 3 poles to do what you want (and there are no 3-pole 5-way switches, so you'd need a 4-pole one).

Typically, we use a schematic to work out the details of a scheme, as angellahash has done here. Then, we translate the schematic into a wiring diagram before you actually start soldering. Often, we would ask you to draw the wiring diagram from the schematic yourself, so that you better understand what is happening with a particular scheme. We would then double check your wiring diagram against the schematic before you start in.

But work from here depends on the switch you select, as above.

[glee]

thank you for the clarification! i have just ordered a fender super switch w 4 poles and a new dpdt mini toggle!

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I did think you had a 2P2T toggle ..

As for the "Mega Switch S" I can't picture any way to get the set up you want from it.

As for the 4P5T lever switch I did think oak or some thing made it.

m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51AvGZ2vMLL._AC_SY780_.jpg
This switch tho big is the can do all system . Not much beats it for getting crazy switching done

[glee]

assuming i use the 5t4p super switch in the scheme could someone draft me a wiring diagram using 1v, 1t, 5-way switch + on/on toggle

[newey]

Yes, but it may be a few days before I can draw something up for you.

[sumgai]

ang,

Nice diagram, delivers the goods with minimal messing around.

Dec 8, 2021 13:47:48 GMT -5 @angellahash said:

4P5T Super Switch and some of the Site Memebers will be SPITTING at me because the "HOT"

No spitting necessary, as you have completely eliminated all chance of any hanging hots. And in only three poles to boot - that's quite a feat!

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glee,


Post pics of your finished build, and sound clips if you can.





sumgai

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I think with the free pole could phase the neck or bridge so that when it's N+B one is phased

[sumgai]

Dec 9, 2021 1:48:50 GMT -5 @angellahash said:

I think with the free pole could phase the neck or bridge so that when it's N+B one is phased

Yes, but then the OoP condition would be permanent - there would be no 'regular' phase available.

Which reminds me.... I spotted this little error during my earlier perusal, but forgot to mention it in my recent post. You've mis-marked the Middle pup's phase: positive should not be going to ground, it should go to the hot, like the other two pickups. Just move the 'positive' plus sign to the upper end of the coil and all will be in order.  (Assuming, of course, that the Mid is RWRP, like 99% of all 3-pickup sets made in the last 50 years or thereabouts.)

HTH



sumgai

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Dec 9, 2021 14:13:16 GMT -5 sumgai said:

Dec 9, 2021 1:48:50 GMT -5 @angellahash said:

I think with the free pole could phase the neck or bridge so that when it's N+B one is phased

Yes, but then the OoP condition would be permanent - there would be no 'regular' phase available.

Which reminds me.... I spotted this little error during my earlier perusal, but forgot to mention it in my recent post. You've mis-marked the Middle pup's phase: positive should not be going to ground, it should go to the hot, like the other two pickups. Just move the 'positive' plus sign to the upper end of the coil and all will be in order.  (Assuming, of course, that the Mid is RWRP, like 99% of all 3-pickup sets made in the last 50 years or thereabouts.)

HTH



sumgai

Isn't the middle one out of phased from the N and B, like on dam lot of strat guitars

[sumgai]

Dec 9, 2021 17:10:45 GMT -5 @angellahash said:

Dec 9, 2021 14:13:16 GMT -5 sumgai said:

Yes, but then the OoP condition would be permanent - there would be no 'regular' phase available.

Which reminds me.... I spotted this little error during my earlier perusal, but forgot to mention it in my recent post. You've mis-marked the Middle pup's phase: positive should not be going to ground, it should go to the hot, like the other two pickups. Just move the 'positive' plus sign to the upper end of the coil and all will be in order.  (Assuming, of course, that the Mid is RWRP, like 99% of all 3-pickup sets made in the last 50 years or thereabouts.)

HTH



sumgai

Isn't the middle one out of phased from the N and B, like on dam lot of strat guitars

No, it's not. That's why Middle pups are wound Reverse Wound, Reverse Polarity. By winding the coil in a "backwards" direction, around an "upside-down" magnet, the signal comes out in-phase with the signal from the other two pups. Thus the + symbol correctly marks the "hot" lead.

And there are virtually no three-pickup sets of all-the-same winding direction/magnet polarity made or installed on guitars today, nor has there been for the past 45 or 50 years.  One can special order such a set, usually for tone-Nazi's that believe their guitar is special, and needs to imitate a 1950's Strat down to the last degree.  (RWRP wasn't a thing until the late 60's or early 70's, being as it coincided with the advent of the 5-way switch.)

Of course, nothing prevents a modder from simply taking a different pickup, one that's not RWRP, and sticking it into the Mid position of their axe.  The resulting hum is on them.

HTH




sumgai