Post by Jack TriPpEr on Dec 30, 2021 12:40:37 GMT -5
[EDIT: moved to Pickup Testing by sumgai, 12/30/2021 - subject matter more appropriate for this sub-forum. PM sent to poster with explanation.]
Hey there,
I have three Dimarzio Area series pickups where I have diaconnected the factory link between the black and white wires.
When I use the Phostenix Youtube video:
... to verify electrical polarity of each wire of each coil, i am getting an unexpected result and wonder if someone here has some insights that could explain it.
The issue is that the Red and Black wires are measuring the opposite electrical polarity of what the official Dimarzio wiring color code would suggest. Red wire
is testing as - and black wire is testing as +. *if* the White and Green wires also tested opposite of wnat the Dimarzio wiring color code suggests, then i would know the answer would be that all three pups are RWRP. *but* White and Green wires measurements are normal, with White as + and Green as -. On all three of these Area pups.
The concern with that is that since Black and White wires are normally joined together at the factory, that would mean two + wires are being joined, and therefore the two coils of that pup would be Out Of Phase with each other. But so many people have used Dimarzio pups wired just that way (including me) and not noticed an Out Of Phase tone.
So it suggests that there is something different about the windings or wire configuration on these Area pups than a normal fullsize humbucker. But I don't know what that would be, that would allow the coils to be connected this way, and not be Out Of Phase.
This odd result is found on all three of these Dimarzio pups, so it cannot be due to an error during assembly at the manufacturer, which might be the case if it was just one pup out of the 3.
I have also verified that it is not an error in my multimeter, because i get yhe same result using a 2nd multimeter that i own. First meter is a Craftsman 82141and the 2nd is a Klein Tools MM400.
Could it be that each coil has the same *magnetic* polarity? And/or the start and finish wire configuration is different than normal in one coil so that the joining of two + wires is required to induce reverse signal flow to cancel hum?
I called Dimarzio Customer Support and asked for an explanation but they weren't too eager to explain. One comment from them caught my ear, where they said both Start wires of the Area pups should be -, as if that was typical of all humbuckers. Yet it is not. The official Dimarzio wiring color code chart suggests that North Start wire (red) would be + while South Start wire (green) would be -. I have a Dimarzio Deactivator bridge pup on-hand and did the same meter test on it, and confirmed the above (i.e. the two start wires have opposite electrical polarities, not the same). So this is some evidence to support my suspicion that the Area pickups are designed in such a way that the normal dimarzio wiring color code chart does not apply.
Anyone know what about the design of the Area pups explains this?
Hey there,
I have three Dimarzio Area series pickups where I have diaconnected the factory link between the black and white wires.
When I use the Phostenix Youtube video:
... to verify electrical polarity of each wire of each coil, i am getting an unexpected result and wonder if someone here has some insights that could explain it.
The issue is that the Red and Black wires are measuring the opposite electrical polarity of what the official Dimarzio wiring color code would suggest. Red wire
is testing as - and black wire is testing as +. *if* the White and Green wires also tested opposite of wnat the Dimarzio wiring color code suggests, then i would know the answer would be that all three pups are RWRP. *but* White and Green wires measurements are normal, with White as + and Green as -. On all three of these Area pups.
The concern with that is that since Black and White wires are normally joined together at the factory, that would mean two + wires are being joined, and therefore the two coils of that pup would be Out Of Phase with each other. But so many people have used Dimarzio pups wired just that way (including me) and not noticed an Out Of Phase tone.
So it suggests that there is something different about the windings or wire configuration on these Area pups than a normal fullsize humbucker. But I don't know what that would be, that would allow the coils to be connected this way, and not be Out Of Phase.
This odd result is found on all three of these Dimarzio pups, so it cannot be due to an error during assembly at the manufacturer, which might be the case if it was just one pup out of the 3.
I have also verified that it is not an error in my multimeter, because i get yhe same result using a 2nd multimeter that i own. First meter is a Craftsman 82141and the 2nd is a Klein Tools MM400.
Could it be that each coil has the same *magnetic* polarity? And/or the start and finish wire configuration is different than normal in one coil so that the joining of two + wires is required to induce reverse signal flow to cancel hum?
I called Dimarzio Customer Support and asked for an explanation but they weren't too eager to explain. One comment from them caught my ear, where they said both Start wires of the Area pups should be -, as if that was typical of all humbuckers. Yet it is not. The official Dimarzio wiring color code chart suggests that North Start wire (red) would be + while South Start wire (green) would be -. I have a Dimarzio Deactivator bridge pup on-hand and did the same meter test on it, and confirmed the above (i.e. the two start wires have opposite electrical polarities, not the same). So this is some evidence to support my suspicion that the Area pickups are designed in such a way that the normal dimarzio wiring color code chart does not apply.
Anyone know what about the design of the Area pups explains this?
