HH 5 way superswitch? - coil split - 2 vol pots - no tone

[robertfripp76]

Hello Everyone, I hope to get a little help from your expertise. I need help with the correct wiring for this application





1 Bridge full humbucker
2 Bridge outside coil + Neck inside coil
3 Bridge + Neck full humbucker
4 Neck outside coil + Bridge inside coil

5 Neck full humbucker

this will be connected if possible to a 5 way superswitch or whatever is needed or recommended to make this combination work.

Also I do not use a "Tone" pot, but I use two volumes instead, like a Les Paul.

the 2 humbuckers are 4 wire like dimarzios or duncans

Any help is appreciated, Thank You

[newey]

robertfripp76-

Hello and Welcome to G-Nutz2!

Feb 25, 2022 17:16:26 GMT -5 robertfripp76 said:

this will be connected if possible to a 5 way superswitch or whatever is needed

That is exactly what you'll need if a lever switch is in the plan. A 4-pole rotary switch could do it, too, but if you've already got the slot for the lever switch . . .

the 2 humbuckers are 4 wire like dimarzios or duncans

What are they? If I know the wire color code for the pickups, the resulting diagram will be easier to follow, no translation of wire colors needed.

[robertfripp76]

Hi, thanks so much for replying, I got the superswitch / lever switch and I will be using Seymour Duncan SH-1 '59 Model Humbuckers

let me know if you found a match for this configuration, I have been looking everywhere and I cant figure it out ...

I appreciate the help

[jhng]

Hello. A question about your planned selections in positions 2 and 4. Is there a reason to pair the inside coil of one pickup with the outside coil of the other in both cases?

The reason I ask is because when you have two coils in parallel the distance between them can have a significant impact on the sound. So I think your 2 and 4 would sound quite similar. I think you would have much greater variation between 2 and 4 if you had one position with both inner coils and the other one with both outer coils. This is actually the set up used in a some PRS guitars.

[robertfripp76]

To be honest I was just being logical, my main interest is to have position 3 with both full humbuckers, so when I have the individual volumes I can get really interested mixes of sound. the guitar I am doing this on is a strat so I figure I will try to add a coil split to positions 2 and 4. I just want position 2 and 4 to sound some what different. I am open to suggestions. Thanks

PS: I also saw a video of a guy that had all possible combinations with 2 humbuckers and these were the ones that sounded better.

[newey]

Mar 1, 2022 17:23:01 GMT -5 jhng said:

I think you would have much greater variation between 2 and 4 if you had one position with both inner coils and the other one with both outer coils. This is actually the set up used in a some PRS guitars.

And, assuming identical pickups, this configuration maintains hum-cancellation as well. With RF76's plan, one pickup would need to be rotated (easy enough to do) in order for positions 2 and 4 to hum-cancel.

But around here, we aim to please the player's desires. So I drew this up, taking the liberty of rotating one of the pickups 180°. I believe this fills the bill for robertfripp76 's wish list, but we'll need someone to verify that I haven't made some foolish error.



Wire colors coming from the pickups are SD colors, from there, I altered colors for contrast between wires. Grounding is shown to a star ground point, but the backs of pots could be used if desired, so long as all the grounds connect. And, I have omitted string/bridge ground and shield grounds for clarity.

[robertfripp76]

Thanks a Lot !!!! I can't wait to give this a try !!

I will let you know the results, You guys rock, thanks for the help

[newey]

Happy to help, but we really should get a second opinion before you set in.

[jhng]

That diagram looks good to me. No foolish errors that I can see.

Also, if you wanted to have outer coils vs inner coils in positions 2 and 4, all you need to do is flip either the Neck or the Bridge pickup through 180 degrees while keeping the same wiring.

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Maybe reading this wrong

Position 2 the neck is bypassing the volume for single

And position 4 the bridge is bypassing the volume single

[newey]

Mar 3, 2022 6:25:41 GMT -5 @angellahash said:

Maybe reading this wrong

Position 2 the neck is bypassing the volume for single

And position 4 the bridge is bypassing the volume single

UGH . No, you're reading it right. I think I can fix that by disconnecting the common lugs of Poles A and C and running both volume controls off the A and C commons to output. At work at the moment so redoing the diagram will need to await the evening or weekend.

[jhng]

Ang wins the 'eagle-eyes' prize yet again.

It's only the blue wire that's a problem (although it would still work just with slightly funny volume controls in 2 and 4). The easiest fix would be if instead of the blue wire going to the common lugs of pole A, you have two wires one from B2 to the left lug of N vol and one from D4 to left lug of B vol. Then the coil-splitting happens before the volume.

[newey]

That would work. My thought was to separate the commons, wire each volume pot off that common lug, then wire both pots to the jack +. But I guess it's about the same either way.