Why anti-Peavey??

[bigaldo]

I have been playng guitar over 45 years!I have owned and collected MANY electric guitars over the years.Why are most people anti Peavey?I am talking about the late 70'sthru mid 90's USA made ones.I own 4 of them,Me and my 17 year old son both feel that they are great guitars.Far better players than Fenders or Gibbies,and alot less money!Any comments!

[dd842]

bigaldo said:

I have been playng guitar over 45 years!I have owned and collected MANY electric guitars over the years.Why are most people anti Peavey?I am talking about the late 70'sthru mid 90's USA made ones.I own 4 of them,Me and my 17 year old son both feel that they are great guitars.Far better players than Fenders or Gibbies,and alot less money!Any comments!

bigaldo,

I don't have any opinion of Peavey, one way or another.

I haven't even been alive for 45 years - much less playing - so I gotta say that when a guy with your kind of experience jumps in and endorses (specific) Peavey guitars, I, for one, pay attention to those kinds of opinions.

Dan

P.S. but, uh, you can ... like ... play, right? ;D

[bigaldo]

Yes,I can play!I feel that in the next year or two.Alot of the younger players will find the USA manufactured electric guitars made by the other guys"Peavey,Jackson,Rhoads etc.etc."will go up in collectablity and value.Right now you have media pushing Gibbies,PRS and Fenders,this has priced them out of the reach of most players.There are ALOT of used USA made guitars out there that are GREAT players,sound and look good.

[dd842]

bigaldo said:

Yes,I can play!I feel that in the next year or two.Alot of the younger players will find the USA manufactured electric guitars made by the other guys"Peavey,Jackson,Rhoads etc.etc."will go up in collectablity and value.Right now you have media pushing Gibbies,PRS and Fenders,this has priced them out of the reach of most players.

I would not be surprised if good alternatives become valuable commodities.

There are ALOT of used USA made guitars out there that are GREAT players,sound and look good.

But without the input of guys like you, who knows what to go looking for?

So ... "Who knows what to go looking for?" ... any other guitarist's secret weapons out there?

Dan

[bigaldo]

I'll give you an example,2 weeks ago I was making my monthly pawnshop,guitar shop rounds.At my last stop,I was at G.C.,yes G.C.As my older ears were attacked by shreader wannabee's,What do I see laying in the back a used Peavey Impact 2,US made,set neck,all mahogany neck and body,2HB,no fret wear.but strings are black,frets have green on the."chemical reaction between frets and strings,stored a long time"With a $225.00 price tag on it.Picked it up asked to put new strings on it,played it.Told them would go 200.00,they took it and it included lined hard case.Took it home polished,setup'What a great guitar"If you are willing to open your mind and use your ears and the thing in your head beween your ears,there are alot of great older unsung guitars out there.

[dd842]

Cool,

Those in the know also think so: reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Guitar/product/Peavey/Impact+II+Set+Neck/10/1 - it scored well in user reviews (one has suggested that it is a Koa body - is this possible?)

Thanks for sharing the story.

Dan

[bigaldo]

Dan,I am not sure about the KOA,I know mine is 100% mahogany thru,and has a bound fretboard,Really a nice guitar,I also like Godin,Carvin both another set of 2nd tear manufactures,and both there products are 1st rate!

[RandomHero]

Why does everything of good quality have to be US made? If Shecters have tought me anything, it's that there are at least one or two factory-style luthiers over in Korea that have a -pretty- good idea of what they're doing.

Sales weenies (I know, I used to be one) will have you think that anything made on the other side of the border is sub-par. I mean, the people in Korea and Mexico and China are still -people-. It's not like they lack the basic craftsmanship of human beings just 'cause they don't wave the red white and blue!

Now, in the sales weenies defense, their -job- is to make you think US is superior quality, because if they can't sell you a guitar, they can't pay their bills or feed their family. It's hard to hold it against them then, isn't it?

A bit of worldly wisdom from a (guitar) salesman.

-R.H.

[bigaldo]

Funny,I have a different take on it.Our young people have had smoke blownup there butts by PR people from companies with overseas interest,that stress made in USA crap,bad and subpar.The reason most Gibbies,PRS,and Fenders cost alot is PR,labour cost is higher than overseas,but it isn't ALL that much more.I didn't want this topic to turn into imports,bad,USA good,or visa-versa.Sure Ibanez,Shecter all make nice guitars.BUT,the main collector market is for vintage US made guitars,there is a small but growing import collector market.I feel in the near future that the 2nd tier US manufactures guitars will be discovered by collectors,and the prices for used US made products will go up fast.Hate it or like it,the most buyers of used colleactable guitars THAT HAVE THE MONEY are older,and made in the USA does mean something to them.

[dd842]

bigaldo said:

..... I didn't want this topic to turn into imports,bad,USA good,or visa-versa.Sure Ibanez,Shecter all make nice guitars.BUT,the main collector market is for vintage US made guitars,there is a small but growing import collector market.

RH - good to see you,

RH, if you say "Go buy a Hyundai Sonata", I'll thank you for what is likely as good a bet as any.

If you had said, in 1987, "Go buy a Hyundai Sonata", I'd have wondered how I became your worst enemy.

No question that, if I want a new guitar, I'll gladly consider Schecter, especially seeing as you've endorsed it.

But Aldo is talking about Peavey guitars from 15 to 20 years ago.

Maybe you've hit the nail on the head. Maybe it's not "Why anti-Peavey ??", maybe it's more like "Why anti-Peavey 'now' ??".

And the answer is that the Schecters of the world have come that far, leaving people to ask of (current) Peavey "What have you done for me lately?".

Dan

[bigaldo]

Dan,your point is well taken.You are right!I AM talking about the older Peavey's.I feel that IF someone is interested in buying a USED guitar that is a good player and will INCREASE in value over time,look to the older 2nd tier US made electrics.Just think if someone told you 15 years ago to buy up old 1950-1960 Fenders,I remember back then you could buy them for fairly cheap.You can still find T-60,T-15,T-27T-30 Peavey's for the $90.00-300.00 range.

[ChrisK]

Marketing is!

And when you're older, discretionary income is!

...so you spend it on the toys of your youth!

[dd842]

chrisk said:

Marketing is!

And when you're older, discretionary income is!

...so you spend it on the toys of your youth!

Ah, yes! ... but ... do you agree with Aldo that (some of) the toys of your youth are still worth buying?

Dan

[ChrisK]

Yep!

I had a Peavey T-60 for a little while but the neck was too thin (fixable) and the ash body weighed a metric ton (not fixable).

It left.

[hammeroff]

Why are most people anti Peavey?

Some people...like cupcakes better...while I myself care less for them.

It takes courage stand up and say, "I'm a muffin man!"

Let's face it, there's far more famous Stratocaster guys than famous Peavey-guitar guys.

Infact, I wanted to post a picture of a famous Peavey-guitar guy, but...yeah...to clearly illustrate my point..

I'm posting picture of the Muffin man himself, playing a Stratocaster!



Good night Austin Texas, wherever you are!!

[Ripper]

I read an article on this subject years ago.
It more or less stated that Leo Fender & Orville Gibson, DO NOT have exclusive rights to to the sacred tone wood forest! The artist drew a picture of ol' Leo & Orville skipping through a forest holding hands and whistling.

[bigaldo]

I really should have labeled this thread not anti-peavey,but,"Unfound Gems"Guitars that are underrated.Yes the T-60 is heavy,but not any more than a LP.My favorite undrrated guitar made by Peavey is the T-15,It was made as a kids starter guitar,most come with hard amp case.2 single pickups"Super Ferrite" "that are more powerful than any P90's out there,Very short scale,light,great blues or slide guitar.

[dd842]

bigaldo said:

I really should have labeled this thread not anti-peavey,but,"Unfound Gems"Guitars that are underrated.

I agree.

And seeing as you have a lot of experience to share, why don't you start a new thread in the guitars section? Seriously - I've copied the gist of what has been posted here so far ... why not copy it and start a new thread?

Big Al's list of "Unfound Gems" - USA made Guitars that are underrated

Please add your suggestions of underrated, affordable, USA made axes from the past 15 - 30 years that are still available.

PEAVEY:

Late 70's thru mid 90's USA made Peavey:

- You can still find T-60, T-15, T-27, T-30 Peavey's for the $90.00-300.00 range.

- My favorite underrated guitar made by Peavey is the T-15. It was made as a kids starter guitar, most come with hard amp case, 2 single pickups"Super Ferrite" that are more powerful than any P90's out there. Very short scale, light, great blues or slide guitar.

- Also, the Peavey Impact 2

JACKSON

RHOADS

[dd842]

deepblue said:

I read an article on this subject years ago.
It more or less stated that Leo Fender & Orville Gibson, DO NOT have exclusive rights to to the sacred tone wood forest! The artist drew a picture of ol' Leo & Orville skipping through a forest holding hands and whistling.

deep ... you don't happen to know where that forest might be, do you? I've been sharpening my (other) axe ever since I read your post

Dan

[Ripper]

dd842...
I hear the forest is somewhere in nothern Ontario!.....shhhhhhhhh!

[dd842]

deepblue said:

dd842...
I hear the forest is somewhere in nothern Ontario!.....shhhhhhhhh!

hmmm,

I feel a road trip coming on!

[musicallymrm]

bigaldo said:

I really should have labeled this thread not anti-peavey,but,"Unfound Gems"Guitars that are underrated.Yes the T-60 is heavy,but not any more than a LP.My favorite undrrated guitar made by Peavey is the T-15,It was made as a kids starter guitar,most come with hard amp case.2 single pickups"Super Ferrite" "that are more powerful than any P90's out there,Very short scale,light,great blues or slide guitar.

Hey bigaldo, I like this topic and I give my +1 in favor of the early Peaveys. The T-Series though heavy (no heavier than a Les Paul of the same era by the way) are killer tone machines and the then "exclusive tone circuit" was way ahead of it's time. It's amazing that the VCC circuit in the Washburn Idol series works a lot like the Peavey. My favorite T no doubt is the T-15. Short scale and great feeling neck although it might be a little too small for big hands. The super Ferrites ought to be boutique sellers. They are way more musical than any P-90's I've played. Open and airy.

I also have one of the Peavey evolutionary guitars as well. Those guitars that were the new incarnations of the T-Series theme. I've got a mint Milestone (1984) and this 24 fret sweetheart feels as high end as a guitar can get. Has the Peavey "Tone-Circuit' and a sexier body. They sold new for $380.00. Got mine at an area pawnshop for $100.00 w/case. Check out my Peaveys here:

The T-15
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and the Milestone
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Hey Aldo, don't you hang out at www.peaveyt60.com Yeah, we T- Series guys got a place too

[quarry]

I owned a Peavey T-15 back when in 1978 (?) or so...

I ended up selling it. Bad move on my part.

To make amends, I recently scored a mint T-60 on ebay.
Yeah, it heavy - but the tone options are endless, and the neck is really nice to play!

I may have to search for another T-15...

[sumgai]

quarry,

It's only been about 10 months, you figure you're done hibernatin' down there, young feller? ;D!

And tell us, do those Peaveys hold up under the Capital Punishment of a brass pick?? I've still got the ones you sent me, and once in awhile, I "lose" one that I'll have to go hunt down, the "borrower" seems to have developed a case of 'sticky fingers' after trying the durn thing!

Stick around, son, the fun's just gittin' started!


sumgai

[stiggowitz]

Owned a "patriot" and loved the buckers. been looking for a "T-60" for awhile, but only at the right price, currently have a usa "predator" and comparing it to my mim strat it falls a little short, but still hangs in there. I've had a few PV amps and have been happy with them and overall with the compitition IMO pretty good bang for the buck.
PV's high $ guitars ie "wolfgang" and a few others are potentially good collectors and will probably be worth saving.
The love of guitars as with music is purely subjective but to we who love this stuff it's far more serious than perhaps it should be but more "FUN" cannot be had anywhere else!!!!!!!!!!!!!
stigg.

[quarry]

sumgai said:

quarry,

It's only been about 10 months, you figure you're done hibernatin' down there, young feller? ;D!

And tell us, do those Peaveys hold up under the Capital Punishment of a brass pick?? I've still got the ones you sent me, and once in awhile, I "lose" one that I'll have to go hunt down, the "borrower" seems to have developed a case of 'sticky fingers' after trying the durn thing!

Stick around, son, the fun's just gittin' started!


sumgai

Sumgui - yeah, it seems I lost the bookmark for this place after a computer re-install...
I'm getting re-aquainted now, after receiving your "use it or lose it" email! ;D

The P-V holds up well to my brass attack. I use the brass picks most often. But sometimes opt for a Jazz III pick.

I'll let ya know when I churn out another batch... maybe I'll drill a hole in 'em so you can attach a chain!

Thanks for the shout - its nice to be back!

[sumgai]

All,

quarry said:

Sumgui - yeah, it seems I lost the bookmark for this place after a computer re-install...
I'm getting re-aquainted now, after receiving your "use it or lose it" email! ;D

The P-V holds up well to my brass attack. I use the brass picks most often. But sometimes opt for a Jazz III pick.

I'll let ya know when I churn out another batch... maybe I'll drill a hole in 'em so you can attach a chain!

Thanks for the shout - its nice to be back!

First, a long time ago we had a thread about picks. Quarry and I shared stories about brass picks made from a cymbal, and he made a few for me. Extremely bright sound, but hard on the strings if you're an agressive player.

Second, I hope that you newcomers notice that we've been seeing a nice influx from a goodly number of old-timers. That's because of the email that you all got, due to the "one size fits all" limitation of this Forum's software. It was intended to spike only those who have never posted at all, but I do admit, I'm tickled that many "old friends" have returned once again.

Between the reorganization and the uptick in postings, I think we're about to leap ahead to an even better Forum! Hope you all enjoy the ride!! ;D


sumgai

[mlrpa]

I have a love of the Peaveys of the early 80's. The aforementioned T15's were a dream to play, although the 23 3/4"scale and the 23 frets were weird. The Patriots are great, but so many variations, that's it's hard to discuss them properly. My friend has 3 of them. One mahogany, one ash, and one made of red oak with a rosewood neck. But I think the greatest detriment to Peavey's was that, new out of the box, they played like crap. Time has been very kind to them, and the older ones, since they have been broken in, play like dreams.

[jkemmery]

The guy who plays guitar at my stepson's church (stepson plays drums) has an old Peavey T-60. I picked it up and played it a few weeks ago, was a nice playing guitar. Has kind of a funky retro look to it, it wasn't super heavy, not bad and doesn't sound half bad, but I think a new set of pups would help the sound, at least through the amp he had. Had 2 hums, each splittable and separate volume and tones for each. I thought the neck on this one actually seemed a little thick. I do have doubts as to wether they will ever be "collectable" since to my knowledge there are no "big name" players who have ever played them to make them famous ... but that's my opinion. Still, if you dig them, get yourself a few. You never know .... I do remember liking them as a kid but back then Peavey was recognized mostly for basses. I picked up a new Peavey strat copy at a local guitar shop a couple of days later and it was about what you'd expect from a Korean made guitar ... overall fairly decent but nothing to get too excited about.

Slightly off-topic, I do think the Peavey Classic 30 is about the best sounding amp I've ever heard. Deep and ballsey tube sound, a little fuller than say a FenderTwin. The TransTube Bandits are probably the best all-around solid state amp for the money, IMHO. When it comes to amps, I'm definitely pro-Peavey.

[sumgai]

Matt,

Infact, I wanted to post a picture of a famous Peavey-guitar guy, but...yeah...to clearly illustrate my point..

Ah, but you just needed a bit more patience, and you would have found (if you'll accept the gender swap).......



Yes that is a Peavey strapped around Daize Shayne! Not a bad player, and a world champion surfer to boot!

HTH


sumgai