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[Targitai]

Hey there. I have a HSH strat, 2 push/pull, 1 5-way switch. Looking for a wiring scheme for the maximum combinations that can be achieved with this. 

[reTrEaD]

Jul 24, 2023 1:24:34 GMT -5 Targitai said:

5-way switch.

Which type? Standard Fender 5-way (8 lugs) or Superswitch (24 lugs) or something else?

[Targitai]

Unfortunately, the depth of the guitar does not allow to put superswitch. 8 lugs

[unreg]

Hi @targitai,

While waiting on reTrEaD, have you browsed this HSH diagram page?:

guitarnuts2.proboards.com/thread/8886/hsh-guitars


Note: there are diagrams, the top 3, inside that use a standard 5-way switch.

There are also Tele and Strat diagram pages in the main Phostenix Pages, link stickied at the upper part of the Guitar Wiring page. Though, I’m unsure if those pages contain HSH diagrams. But, they are available to browse through.

[reTrEaD]

Jul 24, 2023 9:16:45 GMT -5 Targitai said:

Unfortunately, the depth of the guitar does not allow to put superswitch. 8 lugs

Hmmm. I think a superswitch would fit in the same cavity space as a standard fender 5-way (CRL or Oak Grigsby), although the additional wiring could get rather crowded. Maybe not in a cavity for an import switch, idk. Let's determine which switch you have first, later we'll discuss what features you can add with 2 push-pulls. The lug layout varies on different 5-ways, so we should know what the person designing your wiring will be working with.

Make and model of your guitar might be helpful. Or we could try to identify by images.

Oak Grigsby

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CRL

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Import 5-way

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Kaish

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Ibanez/Gotoh

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YM-50

[Targitai]

Import 5-way style switch. Guitar Ibanez type. With a thickness of 40 mm - cavity 30 mm.

Hmm, the superswitch will probably fit if I deepen it by about 5 mm. 

[Targitai]

Jul 24, 2023 16:02:43 GMT -5 unreg said:

Hi @targitai,

While waiting on reTrEaD, have you browsed this HSH diagram page?:

guitarnuts2.proboards.com/thread/8886/hsh-guitars


Note: there are diagrams, the top 3, inside that use a standard 5-way switch.

There are also Tele and Strat diagram pages in the main Phostenix Pages, link stickied at the upper part of the Guitar Wiring page. Though, I’m unsure if those pages contain HSH diagrams. But, they are available to browse through.

Yes, I have seen those diagrams. Unfortunately, there are not those configurations that I would like. For example 2 humbuckers.

[Targitai]

Change in situation. Found a place for a superswitch. Now I'm looking for a wiring diagram for a superswitch and 2 push/pull.

[reTrEaD]

Jul 30, 2023 12:10:05 GMT -5 Targitai said:

Change in situation. Found a place for a superswitch. Now I'm looking for a wiring diagram for a superswitch and 2 push/pull.

Sorry for the delay. I had a very annoying medical issue arise and I was in hospital for a couple of days.

We'll need some more info about your pickups. What brand/model for each so we'll be able to put correct color codes on the wires. Also, do you have screws and slugs on your HBs or are the polepieces the same on both north and south coils of each HB? If screws and slugs, are they currently arranged with the screw coils farthest from the middle and the slug coils closest to the middle? Does the magnetic polarity of the middle pickup match with the screw coils of the HBs?

I'll probably start with an architecture similar to this, and add a middle pickup. (Ignore the pot and capacitor)



I might be able accomplish this:

Position	p-p DOWN	p-p UP
5	Neck coils in Parallel	Neck Coils in Series
4	Neck slug coil in parallel w/ Middle	Neck slug coil in series w/ Middle
3	Middle	Middle
2	Middle in parallel w/ Bridge HB	Middle in series w/ Bridge HB
1	Neck HB in parallel w/ Bridge HB	Bridge HB

Then use the other p-p to split the Bridge HB to the slug coil in positions 2 and 1,

and maybe split the Neck HB to the screw coil in position 1 as well as one of the modes of position 5.

Does that sound interesting?

[Targitai]

Fleor pickups.





According to their website 

[reTrEaD]

Aug 3, 2023 0:28:51 GMT -5 Targitai said:

According to their website 

That raises more questions than it answers. Seems like SC color codes on the HBs but they suggest using the green for (+) and black for (-), which is sort of bass-ackward. Looks like blue and black for the middle pickup? Which of those are meant to be connected to hot and which to ground?

I suspect we'll need you to do a series of tests to determine what's actually right for this set before we get started.  Easier now than after discovering things don't work as expected if we just make assumptions now.

Step 1 - Get a cheap compass (even a toy) and determine
- which end of the needle is attracted to the face of the screw pole pieces on the HBs,
- which end is attracted to the face of the slug pole pieces on the HBs and
- which end is attracted to the face of the pole pieces on the middle pickup.

Step 2 - Use an ohmmeter and confirm 
- continuity between red and green on HBs
- continuity between black and white on HBs
- no continuity between any of the above wires and ground braid, baseplate, or pole pieces.

Also confirm no continuity between either blue or black of the SC and ground braid (if there is one) and
-no continuity between either of the colored wires and baseplate or pole pieces.
Step 3 - Perform a screwdriver pull-off test as described by JohnH , for each of the five coils in your HSH set.
When testing one of the coils in a HB, you are likely to see a small signal when prying the screwdriver off the pole pieces of the coil opposite the coil to which you are connected.
To insure you are on the coil to which you are connected, pry the screwdriver off a pole piece from each of the two coil.  Use the results from the one that produces the larger signal.  We expect a negative-going pulse on the meter when prying off, if the meter red lead is connected to the coil lead that should be "hot".  Reverse the meter leads and test again to be certain.

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I created a diagram that's more like a schematic because of the way I depicted the superswitch. This will make it easier for the other 'nuts to proofread it. After it's vetted and we have more information about your pickups, an actual wiring diagram can be created.

[Targitai]

It's been a "little" while since my previous reply. You never know when appendicitis will catch up with you  . 
So, step by step.
 
1) The red (north) arrow is attracted to the screws pole pieces on the HBs, the white (south) arrow is attracted to the slug pole pieces on the HBs and middle pickup. Which means, as I understand it, opposite polarity to the arrow.

2) There is resistance only on the specified wires, on the others there is none.

3) Next, it gets a little weird. Initially, the black and bare wire, red and white are soldered together.  According to the tests, the south coil (screw) is red "+" and green "-", the north coil is black "+" and white "-".



Or maybe I just tested it wrong