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Post by lpf3 on Sept 28, 2010 19:57:57 GMT -5
Wow, ya got a good point, now that you mention it. (Didja have to mention it? ) While I'm playing it I hear two supporting melody lines so I didn't pay attention to the Sultans Of Swing similarity. I'll have to avoid that Knopfler feel in the real deal, & let the lead stuff I'm coming up with take it in another direction..............unless anybody else wants to jump in with their ideas. .........how come you didn't call me on that Marty Stuart "Hillbilly Rock" thing on the E?" I make no apologies for that one............ ;D -lpf3
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Post by sumgai on Sept 29, 2010 0:23:59 GMT -5
3; .........how come you didn't call me on that Marty Stuart "Hillbilly Rock" thing on the E?" I make no apologies for that one............ That would be outta my league, sorry to say. You pretty much got a freebie on that one! ;D sumgai
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Post by gumbo on Sept 29, 2010 8:53:30 GMT -5
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Post by ozboomer on Oct 8, 2010 20:57:15 GMT -5
Seeing no-one else has done too much on here for a bit, I thought I may as well make an eediot of myself and post something All I did with this was simply play lpf3's demo a couple of times, to get my head into the feel of it... and then decided to go back to his original progression(!) I played the original Am - F - E without anything else a couple of times.. then added a bit of Am - G - C - D (sus4) D... Then I loaded c1's drum track into Audacity, set things to recording.. and just played once through... and this is what I ended-up with: ozboomer's initial demo Note: I dunno if it's Australia's crook bandwidth or something but I couldn't stream the entire .MP3 from SoundClick. If you download it, things are all Ok. My timing is off (this thing is too dashed fast for me!), I got a couple of chords wrong... but maybe you'll get an idea of what I had in mind for the middle section... Just by the way, this is also a taste of what SimpleMod-d sounds like in this sort of application. Anyway, submitted for your general consumption, folks John
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Post by cynical1 on Oct 8, 2010 21:54:08 GMT -5
Sounds good to me. It's always good to have another body in the band. lpf3 and me were getting kind of lonely here...
As I'm just one of the bass players, (hint, hint) and probably the last one to kick in my track I'll leave it up to you guitar players to decide who plays what were.
Splitting the song between you and lpf3 would work. You two...or possibly a third (another hint) should put your heads together...either here or through PM's and nail down the progression.
Since you're going into summer there you'll need to provide some inspiration as I'm only about a month away from the snow flying...
And it's always refreshing to hear someone play a guitar they've posted here.
I'll leave it up to you two to nail this down. If you get it set before anyone else shows up then they'll be playing off your set progression.
Let's get this done before summer comes back up here...
Happy Trails
Cynical One
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Post by sumgai on Oct 9, 2010 0:12:11 GMT -5
Sounded mighty fine to me!
Note: Hints gladly bounced of my back, while you wait!! (hehehehe)
sumgai
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Post by cynical1 on Oct 9, 2010 11:02:47 GMT -5
Those were broadcasted non-specific omnidirectional hints.
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Post by ozboomer on Oct 10, 2010 0:27:07 GMT -5
My ears/head are getting a bit rattled with how many times I've listened through c1's drum track now... but let's see if I have this right... The drum track is running nominally at 165 bpm with no variations (I think?).. and the sequence is something like:- - 3 No. bars of click track
- 4 No. bars of introduction
- 12 No. bars of ... section ...
- 6 No. bars of ... section ...
- 6 No. bars of ... section ...
- 4 No. bars of ... section ...
...and the track terminates after 02:57.455 (mm:ss), albeit the final decay of a cymbal is cutoff. Also, those "sections" I've mentioned above are an intial breakdown I've made; I think they will change but in total, there are now 32 bars of "tune"... can I count? I'll get around to mapping out my thoughts for rhythms/progressions/sequences this coming week, I hope... lpf3 (and others, *hint, hint*): any thoughts/developments/structures/required elements/suggestions? Making haste, slo-w--l---y... John
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Post by lpf3 on Oct 10, 2010 8:27:38 GMT -5
oz- I like your handling of the progression, especially the Am- G- C- D- (sus4) D part. I think you should record your track the way you want it & send me a .wav file- (preferrably 24 bit I'll combine your rhythm track with mine & create 1 continuous track that I can shoot over to c1 for his mixing pleasure. As for mapping things out- I'm kind of lacking in that area. I am able to insert markers in my tracks which I usually place at the "1"- downbeat of each new verse, but that's about it. Other than that I don't do a lot of counting, I just go with what I hear & feel. Makes it a little hard for me to communicate what I did in any given part (Eh, c1?) ;D but the end result seems to flow pretty well. BTW, glad to have your participation. More ways to spread out the blame......... -lpf3
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Post by cynical1 on Oct 10, 2010 9:00:00 GMT -5
OK, I know I never put out another drum map on this one...if you knew what a PITA they are to write out you'd understand why...
Right now I'm in the middle of chicken coop construction...the pillars are dug, floor assembled, dragged to the site and cemented in...as a further aside, 2" x 6" boards, 3/4" plywood and 6" x 6" posts are serious overkill for a chicken coop 6' x 8' floor...and they're heavy as Hell, too...
But I digress. Long and short of it is that my daytime hours are lost for the next two days putting up the wall, roof and shingles...but I will work on this in the evenings and hopefully have something up by tonight or Monday night at the latest.
My typing speed has suffered as I smashed the Hell out of my finger in the aforementioned floor assembly. But I learned a valuable lesson in the process...always wear your glasses when using a hammer...
Happy Trails
Cynical One
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Post by lpf3 on Oct 10, 2010 10:02:25 GMT -5
The same one? Man, in my next life I wanna be one of cynical1's chickens. ;D ;D -lpf3
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Post by cynical1 on Oct 10, 2010 13:15:51 GMT -5
...and I love you too...
Actually, the worst part of smashing fingers (...and yes, I just smashed another one today...) is that the band-aids make it hard to roll a cigarette...
HTC1
PS: And this is for the wife's %&*#$%@ chickens...I don't even like eggs...
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Post by cynical1 on Oct 10, 2010 19:23:23 GMT -5
Here it is! The latest and final drum map for the GN2 Surf Jam
GN2 Surf Drums - 165 BPM - 02:52:727
Measure/Beats - (Time Format) Description
1:01-4:01 (00:00:00-00:04.634) Click Track intro
4:01-5:01 (00:04.634-00:05.818) Long Snare fill
5:01-7:01 (00:05.818-00:08.727) Pattern 1
7:01-8:01 (00:08.727-00:10.182) Long Snare fill
8:01-11:03 (00:10.182-00:15.273) Pattern 3
11:03-12:01 (00:15.273-00:15.990) Short Snare fill
12:01-15:01 (00:15.990-00:20:364) Pattern 3
15:01-16:01 (00:20:364-00:21:818) Long Snare fill
16:01-19:03 (00:21:818-00:26.909) Pattern 3
19:03-20:01 (00:26.909-00:27.636) Short Snare fill
20:01-23:01 (00:27.636-00:32.000) Pattern 3
23:01-24:01 (00:32.000-00:33.455) Long Tom & snare fill
24:01-27.03 (00:33.455-00:38.545) Pattern 4
27:03-28:01 (00:38.545-00:39.273) Short Snare fill
28:01-31:01 (00:39.273-00:43.636) Pattern 4
31:01-32:01 (00:43.636-00:45.091) Long Snare fill
32:01-35:03 (00:45.091-00:50.182) Pattern 4A (More Cymbal)
35:03-36:01 (00:50.182-00:50.909) Short Snare fill
36:01-38:01 (00:50.909-00:53.818) Pattern 4A (More Cymbal)
38:01-39:01 (00:53.818-00:55.273) Fill variation in Pattern 4A (More Cymbal)
39:01-40:01 (00:55.273-00:56.727) Long Tom/snare fill
40:01-43:03 (00:56.727-01:01.818) Pattern 5
43:03-44:01 (01:01.818-01:02.545) Short Snare fill
44:01-47:01 (01:02.545-01:06.909) Pattern 5
47:01-48:01 (01:06.909-01:08:364) Long Tom fill
48:01-51:03 (01:08:364-01:13.454) Pattern 5
51:03-52:01 (01:13.454-01:14.182) Short Tom Fill
52:01-55:01 (01:14.182-01:18:545) Pattern 5
55:01-56:01 (01:18:545-01:20:000) Long Snare Fill
56:01-59:03 (01:20:000-01:25:091) Pattern 6
59:03-60:01 (01:25:091-01:25:818) Short Tom Fill
60:01-63:01 (01:25:818-01:30:182) Pattern 6
63:01-64:01 (01:30:182-01:31:636) Long Snare/Tom fill
64:01-67:03 (01:31:636-01:36.727) Pattern 6
67:03-68:01 (01:36.727-01:37:454) Short Tom fill
68:01-71:01 (01:37:454-01:41:818) Pattern 6
71:01-72:01 (01:41:818-01:43:273) Long Tom/Snare fill
72:01-75:01 (01:43:273-01:47:636) Pattern 7
75:01-76:01 (01:47:636-01:49:091) Long Tom fill
76:01-79:01 (01:49:091-01:53:454) Pattern 7
79:01-80:01 (01:53:454-01:54:909) Long Tom fill
80:01-83:01 (01:54:909-01:59:273) Pattern 7
83:01-84:01 (01:59:273-02:00:727) Long Tom fill
84:01-86:01 (02:00:727-02:03:636) Pattern 7
86:01-88:01 (02:03:636-02:06:545) 2-Bar Long Snare Crescendo fill
88:01-95:01 (02:06:545-02:16:727) Pattern 8
95:01-96:01 (02:16:727-02:18:182) Long Snare fill
96:01-103:01 (02:18:182-02:28:363) Pattern 8
103:01-104:01 (02:28:363-02:29:818) Long Tom fill
104:01-105:04 (02:29:818-02:32:363) Pattern 9
105:04-106:01 (02:32:363-02:32:727) Short Tom fill
106:01-107:04 (02:32:727-02:35:273) Pattern 9
107:04-108:01 (02:35:273-02:35:636) Short Tom fill
108:01-111:03 (02:35:636-02:40:727) Pattern 9
111:03-112:01 (02:40:727-02:41:454) Tom fill
112:01-115:03 (02:41:454-02:46:545) Pattern 9
115:03-116:01 (02:46:545-02:47:273) Snare/Tom fill
116:01-116:04 (02:47:273-02:48:363) Pattern 9
116:04-117:01 (02:48:363-02:48:727) Short Tom fill
117:01-117:04 (02:48:727-02:49:818) Pattern 9
117:04-118:01 (02:49:818-02:50:182) Short Tom fill
118:01-118:04 (02:50:182-02:51:273) Pattern 9 - Truncated
118:04-119:04 (02:51:273-02:52:727) Cymbals/Snare/Tom Crescendo fill
119:04 (02:52:727) Cymbal/Kick/Snare/Tom - Final hit and fade out.
Enjoy!
Happy Trails
Cynical One
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Post by ozboomer on Oct 11, 2010 7:06:01 GMT -5
I've had another go at listening to c1's drum track... and I've now discovered that my bar counting earlier was a long way off...but I think I'm a bit closer now (verified by examining c1's useful mapping)... but for something of a simpler description:- Start Time | Bars | Description | 00:00 | 1 - 3 | 3 bars of click track | 00:04 | 4 - 7 | 4 bars of introduction | 00:10 | 8 - 23 | 16 bars of Pattern 3 (straight) | 00:33 | 24 - 39 | 16 bars of Pattern 4 | 00:56 | 40 - 55 | 16 bars of Pattern 5 (ride) | 01:20 | 56 - 71 | 16 bars of Pattern 6 (backbeat) | 01:43 | 72 - 87 | 16 bars of Pattern 7 (hi-hat) | 02:06 | 88 - 103 | 16 bars of Pattern 8 (surf beat) | 02:29 | 104 - 119 | 16 bars of Pattern 9 (toms) | 02:57 | | EOT |
I've also worked-out that in the little sample playing I did, there were 9 distinct, 4-bar strum patterns (more-or-less). I've spent a good couple of hours tonight trying to get a handle on what the heck I'm playing and I'm sort-of enlightened... but I've never bothered to try and extract the rhythm of something I've played... let alone worked out how to notate it(!)... so the rhythm side of things might be a while in the works. Acshually... To those who have written charts before, how do you notate the rhythms in a chord sheet? "Straight 4s" are more-or-less Ok, viz:- ...but it's a real battle for me at the moment to work out the "upstrokes", "downstrokes", rakes, etc. Although I'm familiar with the figures to do the notation (that is, a hybrid of the normal 'dots and lines' with quaver/8th-note 'flags' etc), would you even try and notate the rhythms in this context (that is, a band where the guitar players are primarily left to their own devices)...? Would you only notate something for a very specific sound you were after as a composer? This is all kinda new to me, y'see... Anyway... lpf3, you might like to have a play about with the 9 strum patterns... or fiddle about with some more of your own? I see 1 and 2 as the "primary" verse portions; 3 and 4 as an "alternate" verse. Patterns 5 and 6 are for a middle portion, before 7 and 8 (much like in the lil' demo). I'm not sure if we need something more following this?!?... and then back to 1+2 and 3+4... with a lil' more of 5 ( Dang! I love a lil', quick suspension ) Then into pattern 9 at the end of the tune (and/or in bars 68 - 71... which gives a feel sort-of like many parts of "Hawaii 5-0")... Have a play about, anyway... and anyone else who wants to have a go should jump in, too... At this stage, we pretty-much have enough material to chop and change with (although, I AM still thinking of something after those 5+6 and 7+8 sections...hmmm)... and remember, as dear sumgai sez, we haveta keep in mind the SURF -- short, sharp rhythms... with a long rolling wave occasionally... or running under everything.. Hoping to get these rhythms notated ASAP (if you all think it's necessary?)... John
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Post by lpf3 on Oct 17, 2010 21:55:30 GMT -5
Well, in spite of our best efforts we're making progress. Ozboomer has sent in his .wav file to be added to the mix- I combined my rhythm part with his and sent him a preview for his approval- then it's off to c1 for mixing.
It's not too late to submit something if anyone else is interested. Just sayin, you know..........
lpf3
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Post by gumbo on Oct 18, 2010 4:54:55 GMT -5
Hmmm.....if only I wasn't lying under a heap of Bigsby Palm Pedal parts just right now, I'd simply play your percussion track on the ol' Roland Octapad, record that, and send it in...... ....gotta be easier than programming all that stuff, and besides, I can play the thing while wearing BandAids...
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Post by cynical1 on Oct 18, 2010 17:51:39 GMT -5
Actually, it's not so much programming as a MIDI construct. The drum map correlates to the different percussion instruments and you just point and click to create your drum track.
Surf was a little challenging as there are really no MIDI template files to work from, so it all gets created from scratch based on about 200 hours of listening to different surf bands for three weeks...so if it sounds a lot like someone else, it's because something caught my ear and I tried to peg it in the MIDI file...and the tom parts were just the result of getting a bit punchy towards the end...
And as lpf3 has already said, anyone who wants in there's still room and time to toss your hat in. Once I get the rhythm tracks I'll take a stab at a bass line...if no one else out there wants to do one...
Happy Trails
Cynical One
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Post by gumbo on Oct 19, 2010 5:16:11 GMT -5
...well, I think everyone has done a great job!!! I'm damn sure that I would have gone completely Cowabunga if I had to point-and-click all of that... I started playing a full kit almost 50 years ago, so my body is kind of settled in its ways of creating a drum track..one of the reasons I opted for an Octapad..although I haven't really done a great deal with it so far as guitar-and-bass stuff seems to take up most of my musical life these days.. For the last year at least I have had the opportunity to dig out the 1964 OBP Ludwig kit and fire it in anger at times with the band...it's a real treat after spending so much time away from it..!
Keep the good work up, Guys....I think it's great!
Cheers from Down Here..
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Post by cynical1 on Oct 19, 2010 9:34:28 GMT -5
Having spent the time that I did putting this together I have a whole new appreciation for drummers...and I take back most of the bad things I ever said about them...
Next time we do a jam, please feel free to jump in and toss in a drum track...and if you feel inspired you can still toss in a guitar or bass track on this song.
Happy Trails
Cynical One
PS: How do you get a drummer off your front porch?
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Post by lpf3 on Oct 19, 2010 9:51:21 GMT -5
Pay for the pizza.
What's the difference between a drummer and a pizza?
-lpf3
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Post by cynical1 on Oct 19, 2010 10:00:49 GMT -5
What's the difference between a drummer and a pizza? A pizza can feed a family of four... Did you hear about the drummer that graduated with Honors from Harvard? HTC1
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Post by lpf3 on Oct 19, 2010 21:56:43 GMT -5
cynical1 wrote:Huh? ;D Neither did you? (I now know that one can Google anything...............) ;D -lpf3
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Post by cynical1 on Oct 19, 2010 22:23:49 GMT -5
OK, I’ll see your Google and raise you this:
A guy goes to the County Fair. He runs across a booth that declares “Talk To Your I.Q.” He finds this interesting and steps into the machine. He deposits his quarter and a sign lights up “ENTER YOUR I.Q”…so he types in 250. Suddenly the machine starts spouting quantum physics and string theory.
Impressed he drops in another quarter and types in 100. The machine starts talking about NASCAR, baseball and lawn care.
Still intrigued, he drops in another quarter and types in 15. The machine replies, “So, what kind of sticks do you use?”
Happy Trails
Cynical One
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Post by gumbo on Oct 20, 2010 6:47:33 GMT -5
...now you know why I started playing guitar and bass...
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Post by lpf3 on Oct 20, 2010 8:06:15 GMT -5
gumbo wrote:
Ha! Good luck with that. I've been playing since 1964 & it still hasn't helped. ;D ;D
-lpf3
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Post by cynical1 on Oct 20, 2010 12:04:40 GMT -5
...at least you guys play guitar...as the bass player I always get stuck translating for the drummer...
HTC1
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Post by ashcatlt on Oct 20, 2010 21:07:28 GMT -5
Most of my drummer jokes are inappropriate for this more or less family friendly forum, but: Join!
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Post by irwired on Oct 20, 2010 21:18:31 GMT -5
Whaddaya call a drummer who breaks up with his girlfriend? Riiiiiiiimmmmmmmmmmmm Shottttttttttttttttt Homeless.................
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Post by cynical1 on Oct 20, 2010 21:42:48 GMT -5
What's the difference between a band with two drummers and a pair of shoes in a clothes dryer?
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Post by cynical1 on Oct 20, 2010 22:35:36 GMT -5
I think I played with this guy...
...it just gets funnier the more times you watch it, too...
HTC1
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