Help me in making H H diagram

[newey]

Here's version 2.0. Hopefully this solves the output problem noted by ash and sg. I'm still not sure that I've got the pull-down resistor right, so again, let's consider this as a work in progress for the moment.

[ashcatlt]

Switching looks much better there.

The pulldown resistors need to be from the preamp's input to ground, and from its output to ground, and they need to stay there no matter what the switch is doing. They are there to give the coupling caps a way to discharge to ground when its not connected to anything else. Right now I see one R, from the jack tip to ground. That won't help.

[studiostriver]

Thank you all for all your efforts so far. ;)This means a world to me.I`m pretty much recording musician freak and this will make my dreams come true,so to speak.

[newey]

OK, thanks Ash. I'll show that in v3.0. Otherwise, I think we're good to go- subject of course to my prior statements about the preamp wiring. I can't find any info to show me "what does what" with that item.

I took a "best guess" at the wiring using SD's diagram for a single HB hookup, and simply analogizing the output from the pickup selector to the outputs from the HB, ignoring the series junction between the two coils.

But ultimately, you may need to experiment a bit with the preamp wiring, unless you can get SD to clarify whether what I propose will work. All of their schemes for this show the preamp as being "always on", and the pickups are wired directly into the preamp, which is not possible given what you want to do with the passive switching.

[studiostriver]

Apr 21, 2013 13:38:16 GMT -5 newey said:

I took a "best guess" at the wiring using SD's diagram for a single HB hookup, and simply analogizing the output from the pickup selector to the outputs from the HB, ignoring the series junction between the two coils.

But ultimately, you may need to experiment a bit with the preamp wiring, unless you can get SD to clarify whether what I propose will work. All of their schemes for this show the preamp as being "always on", and the pickups are wired directly into the preamp, which is not possible given what you want to do with the passive switching.

Hm,I will register at SD forum and search if I can find something that may be of some help.

[Deleted]

^^
just tell them you have SD passives instead of bareknuckles, also i would suggest trying email the official support. I had very good experiences with Dimarzio. If they are anything good like Dimarzio, they will solve your problems in less than a day.

[studiostriver]

Apr 21, 2013 23:34:25 GMT -5 @pyrros said:

^^
just tell them you have SD passives instead of bareknuckles, also i would suggest trying email the official support. I had very good experiences with Dimarzio. If they are anything good like Dimarzio, they will solve your problems in less than a day.

Thanks for a tips bro.

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Molim

[studiostriver]

I found a diagram which could help i think.

www.mediafire.com/view/?9wtz1zkezirpuu7

and also this:

cdn.seymourduncan.com/pdfs/support/schematics/BMP_2H_1V_1T_3W.pdf

[newey]

ss-

The first link you posted is to the "liberator" solderless wiring system. While the Blackout preamp uses a similar connection system, compare the lugs and the layout of your first link to the second, and you'll see the difference.

The second diagram is similar to the one I used as a starting point, but I used the single pickup, 1 V version as it seemed to be the closest analogy to what you were doing. I simply assumed that, of the 4 wires from the HB shown in the diagram, that the "hot" connection from the center of the pickup selector switch corresponded to the HB "hot", and grounded the opposite end, where the pickup's "not hot" went as shown on the diagram. The two central pickup wires represent the "series junction" of the HB, so those have no analogue to your wiring.

But again, there's a lot of guesswork involved in that.

[studiostriver]

I do not know if this helps,but here is another one from guitar player who using this preamp on his own signature pickups:

www.seymourduncan.com/images/products/electric/humbuckers/gus_g_fire_schematic.pdf

[studiostriver]

Hey bro,I was thinking all this day what to do and I deciede I quit of preamp idea.It is not 90% sure it will work good,and I don`t wanna gamble with my guitar,and regret after these modifications.

Make me another diagram without it please if i not bothering you too much?

Just to resume my thoughts:

2 volumes for each pick up,1 tone

3 or 5 splitter whatever you think is good and that will reduce number of switches.

And know both volumes can use push/pull options.


Split/serial/parallel for each pick up.
Phase in/out.

Forgive me if I`m been pain in the butt cause of this.

[newey]

No problem at all, SS sent me a PM along the same lines to which I replied. It will, however, be the weekend again before I can redo any diagrams.

[newey]

Here's the same scheme minus the preamp:



After a further exchange of PMs, studiostriver is still examining his options.

[newey]

This may be the final version, pending a "thumbs up" from studiostriver (and pending a review by someone for accuracy). A few notes:

The tone control can be either a concentric pot, for individual control of each pickup, or as a dual-gang pot for a "master" tone, as in JohnH's "Strat with 2 Volumes".

All the wiring from the controls to the jack is stock LP fare, modified only for the dual-gang pot.

Another advantage of the dual-gang (or concentric, if desired) pot is the ability to use separate capacitors for each pickup, for those who like to "fine tune" such things. I didn't specify values, one can season to one's tastes. I said 500K for the dual-gang pot only because I know that value is available.

The phase switch could, of course, be a push/pull pot on one of the two volume controls.

[studiostriver]

Apr 30, 2013 20:12:22 GMT -5 newey said:

This may be the final version, pending a "thumbs up" from studiostriver (and pending a review by someone for accuracy). A few notes:

The tone control can be either a concentric pot, for individual control of each pickup, or as a dual-gang pot for a "master" tone, as in JohnH's "Strat with 2 Volumes".

All the wiring from the controls to the jack is stock LP fare, modified only for the dual-gang pot.

Another advantage of the dual-gang (or concentric, if desired) pot is the ability to use separate capacitors for each pickup, for those who like to "fine tune" such things. I didn't specify values, one can season to one's tastes. I said 500K for the dual-gang pot only because I know that value is available.

The phase switch could, of course, be a push/pull pot on one of the two volume controls.

Really great,I am totally satisfied with tonal options and I would leave phase in/out as it is(as switch not push/pull).
Big thumb up from me!

Thank you newey bro,I do not have enough big words to express my gratitude. ;D

[newey]

Happy to help, but let's get a review by someone else before you dump it into the lap of your tech.

"Diagram checkers to Aisle 3, Please!"

[JohnH]

Seems good to me, except, as I view it, the tone pots seem to be using the wrong outer lug, like a lefty.

I had to stare at the pickup wire colours, until I went back to post 1 to find out that we are talking about Bare Knuckles, which get wired like Gibson and different to SD and DiMarzio. But I think you have that correct - maybe add that info to the diagram for future young players.

cheers
John

[newey]

Thanks, John! I always get the dang pots backwards!

I'll make the change and also add a note about wire colors.

[ashcatlt]

I don't see any errors in that new diagram.

[studiostriver]

I`m know confused guys. ;DSo is this diagram finished or it need something more to be added?
Cheers to all!

[newey]

SS-

I think ashcatlt is right, I think the tone controls are wired correctly for a righty. So, it should be good to go, assuming that you're a righty.

[JohnH]

hmmm..i'm still seeing the tone pots as looking lefty!

[newey]

Well, as I said earlier, I usually get this wrong, so a while ago I posted this:

Potentiometer Orientation

and I think the diagram is correct as per the link (assuming my link was right in the first place!).

John's problem may be that my diagram is hard to read where the tone pots are concerned. For clarity, the pots are shown as if from the back (shaft pointed down), which should put the CW lug to the left of the diagram (with the lugs facing the observer, as shown). The tone caps are both connected from the wipers of the individual volume pots to the CW lug (again, on the left side as shown). The wipers of the dual-gang tone pots then connect to the grounding point. One of the two wipers is, however, first wired to the pot shell to ground the unit. The CCW lug (to the right as shown on the diagram) is left unwired.

Does that help, John? Or am I backwards nonetheless?

(and to SS- not to worry, this is a fairly minor issue that we'll get sorted out soon . . .). I just want to be sure it's right so that your tech doesn't have to rewire the tone controls later.

[studiostriver]

May 8, 2013 13:55:56 GMT -5 newey said:

(and to SS- not to worry, this is a fairly minor issue that we'll get sorted out soon . . .). I just want to be sure it's right so that your tech doesn't have to rewire the tone controls later.

Ok bro. I`m not in a hurry,as I sad,I will do this for a 4 months,but I started this thread earlier to find what`s best matches to my needs,and you are all been very helpful to me,especially you newey for making this diagram and talking your time to complete this job.
You rock! ;D

[JohnH]

It seems I'm out voted, but I cant say I agree when I don't!

Going by the diagrams in the link - (which are fine)

To get a tone pot at minimum treble, one would turn it anti clockwise, CCW, when facing the front of the guitar

That would connect lug 1 to lug 2.

Lugs 1 and 2 are the centre and left lugs with the shaft pointing up as in the photo.

With shaft pointing down as in the wiring diagram, with lugs towards us, im saying its centre and right lugs that are needed. Thats how Ive wired up every guitar Ive done, including one last weekend. Its also how the tone pot is shown on the earlier diagrams in this thread, with a single tone pot.

However, I'm going to an optician tommorow, so maybe i should look at it again after that!

J

[sumgai]

One of the many unparalleled benefits of this Forum is that we get to have multiple pages per thread, which means a lot of clicking back-and-forth, looking for some little detail.

So instead of that, I'll just ask this once: why is the reverse-wired Tone control* placed after the two correctly-wired Volume controls, instead of before?   Is this a requirement set by studiostriver?





sumgai

* John is correct about how to hook up the Tone pot(s), unless one is left-handed.... (But come to think of it, I've never seen a guitar with left-handed knobs (numbered backwards).)

[newey]

As I said, I often get this wrong, must be some sort of "potentiometer dyslexia". I'll make the change since ash is now the one out-voted!

So instead of that, I'll just ask this once: why is the reverse-wired Tone control* placed after the two correctly-wired Volume controls, instead of before? Is this a requirement set by studiostriver?

Nothing set by SS, I just took it from a std. Les Paul diagram.

[sumgai]

May 8, 2013 18:29:56 GMT -5 newey said:

Nothing set by SS, I just took it from a std. Les Paul diagram.

Which standard... vintage or modern?

Best ask ahead of time which would be the more desirable, lest we have a 'clean up on Aisle 2'.


As for that lysdexia problem.... there's an app for that!







sumgai

[Deleted]

May 8, 2013 17:57:00 GMT -5 sumgai said:

One of the many unparalleled benefits of this Forum is that we get to have multiple pages per thread, which means a lot of clicking back-and-forth, looking for some little detail.

So instead of that, I'll just ask this once: why is the reverse-wired Tone control* placed after the two correctly-wired Volume controls, instead of before?   Is this a requirement set by studiostriver?





sumgai

* John is correct about how to hook up the Tone pot(s), unless one is left-handed.... (But come to think of it, I've never seen a guitar with left-handed knobs (numbered backwards).)

Hmm, that brings to mind my once-lefty Carvin, which i converted to right hand, eliminated 2 of the 3 ON-ON switches, and the only tone control, so now the guitar has one switch and one volume control. I do not remember having issues with it being a right-hand person. It operates like an ordinary righty volume pot.