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Post by ChristoMephisto on Feb 21, 2011 11:40:14 GMT -5
Thanx for the reply.
Thats what's the 'tap' switch is suppose to do, swapping coils is a better description than 'a bit of neck mixed with the bridge' Not sure how it would sound with two of the same pups. The Lead series didn't use neck or bridge pups, they used the same pup for both.
I'm guessing your suggesting local parallel for both pups using a 4p3t switch. Thought of that, using 2 poles for each pup, could also use hum/top coil/par or hum/bottom coil/par wiring.
Liked the simplicity of the other one, the OoP - Humbucker, when in the neck position, you go straight to SOoP. I've done the Broadbucking concept with a tele and two sc, but didn't have a chance to try it out with two hums. Really liked it, maybe I'll figure something out if I stare at the multiple schems and diagrams for it.
Also a question about the pot and cap values, 250k and a .047uf cap?? Sounds dark, wondering if they are holding something back. ;D
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Post by ChristoMephisto on Feb 20, 2011 10:28:10 GMT -5
Scored a pair of real Seth Lover Wide Range humbuckers like those found in the Lead series and plan on putting them in a dark red Squier Bullet 20th Ann. Special. Even has the 60's style soft 'c' profile neck. Currently has the one hum/one vol, so after a few additions of switches and tone pot, gonna try the Lead I with single hum and the original wiring of N,N+B,B, and series (errr top coil, parallel, bottom coil and humbucker) Just to actually hear if there is a difference. And to give the pup a test run After some routing and p/g modification, I'll throw the neck humbucker in and rewire it. The switches on the Lead III are the pup selector and coil tap either of the pups, but not both at once. They use a DP3T on-on-on switch with a short fat toggle. Gives you a total of seven sounds, useful, but boring. Over at GM Arts, he shows a couple ideas for two humbuckers with only one spdt toggle, and thought of using the tap switch for two of those mods. The first being Out of Phase - Humbucker which gives SOoP and bridge sc, or both together. The other I'm not sure about, but sounds interesting is Tap Link, or coil swapping. www.gmarts.org/index.php?go=236#oop_hbAnybody got any ideas for some wiring mods? Want to try to keep it limited to just the two toggles and the same looking too, so even a 4P3T is an option, altho pricey at $25 Just bought the pups and two dp3t last night, so it'll be a bit til they get here, but like to plan ahead.
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Post by ChristoMephisto on Feb 13, 2011 14:00:51 GMT -5
I have a three knob tele from doing extensive mods and due to liking the ability to mix the two in parallel and series. Recently changed the blade switch from a super switch to a standard 5-way using Craig Anderten's wiring www.tdpri.com/wiring5wayStrat.htm (second one down) cause at the time I had a TV Jone's TV'tron and wanted that Gretsch tone switch sound and utilize the Broadbucking feature while in series. Both volume pots are wired independent to the switch. When I went for the neck with tone cap, it sounded way too bright like i had a short or something, turning the neck vol down didn't do anything... Ditched the TV'Tron for the matching neck pup to the bridge SD Broadcaster. Same results... Took measurements with a meter with the knobs cranked up and down and noticed the following, btw, neck dc is 7k1 and the bridge is 7k7 with 500k/250k volume pots NV BV value 10 10 7k1 10 0 3k8 0 10 157k no sound 0 0 7k7 even got the same readings when the control plate was lifted, plugged it to my practice amp and when i was rotating the knobs, noticed how it got brighter as i lowered the bridge volume and could only concluded it was going out of phase. Normally with just one volume pot, the bridge pup would short it self out leaving just the neck and cap, with two volumes, the bridge volume is in the way and puts the two pups parallel out of phase. This was the first thing I thought of and always wanted to try from Borsanova's 'Only one switch for humbucker & out of phase' wiring But the good thing is that you can also use your controls for further effects. So put the selector in position 3 (neck alone) and turn the bridge volume to zero and you'll be surprised how your sound turns thin and sharp (allowing to emulate even some Shadows tones). In fact this position creates a reverse current in the bridge pickup and puts both pickups in parallel out-of-phase. You can also use both volume (and tone controls) to mix the signal. Put the neck volume to 8 or the bridge volume to 2 and you'll see how your sound turns fatter as the other pickup starts to prevail. full text here... guitarnuts2.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=schem&action=display&thread=3152At first with the TV'tron and SD Broadcaster i had an issue as the TV pup is OoP naturally to the SD pup. Pulling the phase switch changed it. Left it that way cause it was nicer sounding to switch straight over to OoP series and parallel. Changing the neck pup let me hear what was really going on in that position. I get that extra sound!! If you add a .047 cap to the switch's common lug where the B- is and ground, you'll change from humbucker to full Broadbucker effect, or a deeper treble roll off for n,n+-b,-b I suggest switching in a cap instead of leaving it hardwired to the blade switch is you don't want too much treble roll off in that position and not enough when in series Broadbucking mode. Throw in a phase switch for the neck using a .01 cap in series to warm it up it it just really adds to the versatility. (-Nx.01)+B, neck w/10% less bass, and in the new position (Nx0.1)+B, bridge is back in phase now. So far the only draw back is when switching from the new parallel OoP to series is you may have to roll you bridge volume back up since it was 'reversed'
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Post by ChristoMephisto on Jan 25, 2011 17:17:52 GMT -5
Thanks for all the good replies and suggestions. Its not a real Fender Thinline, its a finished handmade thinline style body. F'hole, both wings are hollow, maple over alder...
Was thinking to fish it through the control panel and see how far up and how much room i had before i drilled it and found i was wrong. Just wanted to see if anyone had done this and had any tips.
For a solid, thought of using the T-Custom idea and route the horn and mount it to the p'guard
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Post by ChristoMephisto on Jan 23, 2011 20:58:40 GMT -5
Looking into getting a Thinline style body to replace my solid tele body and was wondering if it was possible to add a volume knob to the lower horn of the body without having to route through the back. Thinking I could feed it through the control panel opening.
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Post by ChristoMephisto on Jan 4, 2011 18:42:25 GMT -5
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Post by ChristoMephisto on Jan 4, 2011 5:22:48 GMT -5
Suggestion: Can you fit two single coils in a humbucker casing and pot it w/ wax?
Ended up getting a TV Jones TV'tron for the neck pup so the TS can control the neck and middle pickup
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Post by ChristoMephisto on Jan 2, 2011 15:17:00 GMT -5
I would guess that the space inside the SD Triple Shotâ„¢ mounting ring is precisely the same size as any other humbucker pickup mounting ring. I would think this is not enough room for two single coils. Sorry about that, my tele p'guard has a humbucker and tele mounting holes. But to answer you question, maybe a strat size coupled with a tele pup? two tele pups?
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Post by ChristoMephisto on Jan 2, 2011 14:24:47 GMT -5
what i've been wondering about these things is if you could put 2 single coils in them. Frinstance, for the neck postition, I'd like to put my fender texas special and a SD Vintage Rails that i have extra. Just to be able to switch betwixt and between would be cool enough, but then to run em parralelly and serially together, that would be wicked nutz. Thats what I'm in the middle of doing, making my own P-rail, if you will, looking for a P90 style pup for my SD Vintage Rhythm/Broadcaster set One pup is wired to the black/white pads, and red/green for the other so the two combos are n>m or m>n neck to blk/wht and mid to red/grn is m>n mid to blk/wht and neck to red/grn is n>m Problem I had with the TS was you had to switch away to select that coil. See it as m>n Reverse the order (n>m) and you logically switch towards the pup Think I've seen some ppl cut them up and put them on 3 sc strats...
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Post by ChristoMephisto on Jan 2, 2011 8:43:40 GMT -5
How about a Broadbucking style cap between the pickups It could be just a straight cap to ground or wire it to the back end of the tone pot. JohnH has a good example on his Strat SP diagram. You could also use it to control two pups, like a P90/tele and toss/use the blade switch for something else. Or with a three pickup guitar to control the N/M or M/B pups. These Triple Shots can really cut down on the p/p pots we all try to cram into our guitars
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Post by ChristoMephisto on Nov 15, 2010 16:40:10 GMT -5
There is always room for more switches on a guitar After two Triple shots, 5-way blade switch, and three push/pulls, don't think I want anymore switches ;D
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Post by ChristoMephisto on Nov 14, 2010 20:12:39 GMT -5
My tele already has an universal routing so that's not a problem. Would probably use another Triple shot pick up ring to ease the switching, and of course a new p'guard at Warmoths
Was just wondering if there was overkill
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Post by ChristoMephisto on Nov 14, 2010 17:49:41 GMT -5
Due to a shipping error, i ended up with a second SD neck P-rail. Right now i have a Tele with a SD bridge Broadcaster, matching tele Rhythm in the mid, and a P-rail(w/ Triple Shot) in the neck. Would it be too much with a second neck P-rail in the middle instead?
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Post by ChristoMephisto on Sept 1, 2010 9:21:15 GMT -5
Could be off base here, but sounds like you want tone control on both pups when in series... You could wire the pup to the tone pot before the s/p switch that way you'll have tone control for both S & P Not sure of your wiring layout, but you can see here for reference in JH's LP how the tone (& volume) connect to the pup before the s/p switch guitarnuts2.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=schem&action=display&thread=3159My tele has tone control on the neck when in series with the bridge and find it quite useful.
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Post by ChristoMephisto on Aug 21, 2010 11:03:20 GMT -5
I have one of those Triple Shot rings, just waiting for the P-rail pup to come in the mail. The TS uses a pair of DPDT switches, haven't compared them to see the difference, but if you were to go the DIY'er way, the SPST is easier. Since it's SD's design, they set it up so the wiring is bottom coil to the top coil. neck is inner to outer, and bridge is outer to inner Read how some ppl cut off the ring, screw it to the strat p'guard and just use the switch itself.
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Post by ChristoMephisto on Aug 8, 2010 10:09:16 GMT -5
He could also blend in the middle pup like the original S-Tastic, or even the S-Tastic Expanded, but instead use a standard 5-way switch. Pickups and the layout are different, but the schematics are the same.
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Post by ChristoMephisto on Aug 7, 2010 14:58:22 GMT -5
Why couldn't he use a 5-way switch on a Dial-A-Duck style guitar if you use the Craig Anderten wiring? www.tdpri.com/wiring5wayStrat.htmi prefer the b>n and the bridge w/ a cap
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Post by ChristoMephisto on Jul 3, 2010 10:39:43 GMT -5
Thanx for all the good replies, was hoping there was an alternate way to wire the on-on-on to over come this, even after scouring lots of sites on coil tapping and humbucker switching, including Wolf's which I have bookmarked. My control plate has three holes from previous modding (JH's LP or Bosanova style) so adding a 4pdt switch could work, but the electronic stores don't carry a variety of stuff and would take too long (& $) to order one online. Its a lot of switching and fiddling with p/ps to get a certain sound. Thought about using the megaswitch and the two p/p system for picking coils, but you would only be using the inner coil when the 5-way is set to SOoP. Instead of the inner coil in phase, when selected it's OoP, but in phase when parallel and a regular 4-5 way switch. But think it maybe easier to just forget about local parallel and POoP options and keep it simple. Use the 3-way for series/outer/inner OoP.
Thanks again for your help...
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Post by ChristoMephisto on Jul 2, 2010 9:52:25 GMT -5
Trying to wire up a Lil Puncher in the neck of my tele and use a on-on-on to get series/outer coil/parallel, and a p/p pot for phasing. Found this one at SD... www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=series_spl_parallel-w-phaseThe only problem I see is whens it OoP and in SC mode, its the outer coil OoP, and the inner is shorted. Looking at JH's LP and Borsanova's wiring, they use the inner when OoP but they're using a simple coil tap and not a series/split/parallel switch. Is there a way to get the inner coil when it's OoP? It connects to a 5-way switch (n,n+b,b,b+cap,b>n) and the bridge pup is a SD Broadcaster.
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Post by ChristoMephisto on Jun 14, 2010 15:54:24 GMT -5
Even with 13.6k, thats two SC in series each with about 7.8k Even with that, the DC resistance doesn't describe the characteristic of the pup.
Have you tried other pickups?
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Post by ChristoMephisto on Jun 13, 2010 8:37:13 GMT -5
I agree with the three way switch over the five way, easier to get to the pup selection you want, faster too
Had a tele wired with a three way, bridge/parallel/series (b>n), with a phase switch on the tone pot. The neck was in series with a .01 cap when OoP, a la Bill Lawrence Also revered the control plate so the pup selector and the tone/phase switch are next to each other instead of either end
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Post by ChristoMephisto on Jun 5, 2010 17:14:49 GMT -5
Has anyone tried mixing the coils on two humbuckers so that you get the bridge outer coil into the neck outer coil, or the inner coils in series? GMArts has a cool idea with Tap links and Series OoP Humbucker www.gmarts.org/index.php?go=236#combonear the bottom...
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Post by ChristoMephisto on Apr 17, 2010 1:45:33 GMT -5
I tried the 50's style wiring, 2x500k, and found the tone knob really brought the volume down too much too fast. Went straight back the soldering iron to restore it. Wonder if using a 1 meg tone pot would help
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Post by ChristoMephisto on Mar 11, 2010 16:52:55 GMT -5
ChristoMephistoHeck that is my site. If you want to know more about coil-cutting there's a whole page about it at www.1728.com/guitar7.htm Its not the coil tapping I'm worried about. You got a great site there. With your alternate wire for the bridge, I managed to figure out how to apply the tone pot/coil cut mod and also switch it to local series/parallel. Attach the third lug to the dpdt where two lugs are linked together. Guess like where you have your spdt switch. This gave me three pickup options with one p/p tone pot
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Post by ChristoMephisto on Mar 10, 2010 16:48:31 GMT -5
Was thinking the same thing earlier today, If you have the two humbuckers in parallel, and short out the inner coils, its the same as the two outer coil. So your only getting two extra sounds of single coil of either neck or bridge. Couldn't you wire the on-on-on the same as here www.1728.com/guitar.htm (look way down)
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Post by ChristoMephisto on Mar 10, 2010 4:42:50 GMT -5
You mean just replace the on-on with a on-on-on (wired differently) Good idea, i'll keep it in mind, thx
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Post by ChristoMephisto on Mar 9, 2010 4:51:19 GMT -5
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Post by ChristoMephisto on Jan 8, 2010 18:21:53 GMT -5
Figured out a way to get a coil/treble cut and local series/parallel all from one push/pull pot. Wire up your humbucker to the dpdt switch in the regular s/p wiring, the one with wire joining the two outer lugs. scroll down a bit www.1728.com/guitar.htm Wire the tone pot normally, the extra lug connects to the wire that joins the pup when in series mode instead of the middle of the pup. So at 10 will you get a coil cut, and as you roll it back you get hum/treble cut. Pull the knob and the pup is local parallel, the tone pot is removed from the middle of the humbucker and functions as a normal tone pot.
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Post by ChristoMephisto on Dec 30, 2009 4:58:34 GMT -5
If you wired up a phase switch between the pup and tone pot, would it cut out the red coil instead? Saw in the JPLP wiring that the neck s/c switch gives north s/c and when in OoP, its the south s/c. Could this be achieved the same way?
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Post by ChristoMephisto on Sept 9, 2009 18:47:42 GMT -5
Picked up a Roland Jazz Chorus JC77 yesterday, can't get over how clear sounding it is, and the on board chorus beats out my Boss CE-2. The distortion is more like an overdrive, and weak at that, and the reverb is subtle. Got a few questions, is there a way to determine the date this was made? I ran the s/n 531559 though the serial decoder on the Bossarea pedal forum and came back being made in '85. Not too sure if thats accurate or if it's only meant for pedals.
Second, on the reverb tank, someone added a RCA patch cord to either the input or output of the tank. Does anybody know if the blue and red wires coming from the back of the tank is the in or out. Guessing they added an effects loop or something. Does two reverb tanks in series work? Anyone hazard a guess why this is here?
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