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Post by reTrEaD on Apr 27, 2012 9:21:19 GMT -5
this is my 1st post EVER! I am trying to get a schematic for... 2 HB with VOL & Variable Coil-Tap(instead of TONE pots) for each . I want a push/pull on 1 'TONE' pot for master series/parallel when 3 way toggle is in center position. Problem is I need a kinda 'D.I. switch' for the Bridge 'bucker... By 'D.I. switch' I mean when you pull up the 'tone' knob everything's bypassed & the bridge pickup goes straight to the Jack with no loading. I'd be great if the D.I. was always un-tapped HB too but IF the tap just HAS to be included if the 'tone' knob's set that way then so be it I suppose. The frustrating thing about all this is that I honestly can do all these features seperatly but am having difficulty putting 'em all together on the 1 axe! HELP! Both HBs have 4 core cable THANKS IN ADVANCE, YOU GUYS! No, your first post ever was a few minutes ago, in your own thread: guitarnuts2.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=wiring&thread=6316&page=1Please do NOT clutter other threads by multiple postings of the same request like this. |
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Post by santellan on May 7, 2012 13:16:07 GMT -5
Here's a wiring schematic for two standard tone pots instead of the killswitch and midrange inductor. The board internal schematic is shown on post #51 for reference.  |
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Post by dioxic on May 22, 2012 21:54:16 GMT -5
Hey guys!
Hope everybody has been well?
I just thought I'd give everybody an update. I had the switch installed and it works wonders! It really is great, I can go from smooth John Mayer tones one second to a blistering solo the next. The series mode also does wonders for fattening up my strat in musical contexts where I just need a little more "umph" or need to sound less thin. It really all works better than expected and I can't thank you guys enough for making this a possibility!
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Post by sumgai on May 22, 2012 23:36:16 GMT -5
di, +1 for staying the course, and for reporting back in with your results. ;D Now, you got pictures?  Soundclips? sumgai |
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Post by dioxic on May 26, 2012 21:24:46 GMT -5
Sumagi! Unfortunately, I'm currently not in a position to provide any sound clips. Between ramping up for finals soon and working in the studio with two independent bands, I haven't even had much of a chance to use it myself!  I will, however, do pictures for all of you asap and try & follow up with sound clips when I can! Sorry for the delay. |
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Post by dannyhill on Sept 10, 2012 7:12:13 GMT -5
Hi JohnH,
Anyway can we change the schematic with a 4p6T for:
Parallel: b+N, N, m+n, m, m+b, b(*)
Series: bxn, nxbbypass, nxm, bxmxn(*), mxb, bxnbypass
You know, a simple mind and all.....
D
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Post by JohnH on Sept 10, 2012 15:21:50 GMT -5
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Post by dannyhill on Sept 10, 2012 17:03:42 GMT -5
Hi John,
Superb!
With the blower is good.
I am to keep as much Dano like as possible.
BTW Any idea why a 100k linear vol/1M audio tone has more or less an on/off function? The pickup response is all in the very high end? Or is it my ears?
D
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Post by JohnH on Sept 11, 2012 7:56:01 GMT -5
Hi John, Superb! With the blower is good. I am to keep as much Dano like as possible. BTW Any idea why a 100k linear vol/1M audio tone has more or less an on/off function? The pickup response is all in the very high end? Or is it my ears? D More questions: How many phase switches to have? The 5+5 doesnt have them, but they can be added to any or all pickups. Its a free choice. I think they are not much use, but if there's one, id put it on the neck, or have two or three if you wish. The 6th single/parallel setting is clearly B+N to add to the Strat set of 5. For the 6th series setting, you noted N x Bbypass, ie full N with a bit of B. Are you happy wth that? the other choice could be M x Nbypass instead, which is what Id probanly do. I had a couple of guitars with a blend control, and i found the best series blends had a bit of neck with full B or M. I found full N with a bit of B sounded much like N alone but it might vary. cheers John |
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Post by dannyhill on Sept 11, 2012 15:16:09 GMT -5
Hi John,
Sorry for the confusion. I was using Dano numbering i.e.:
6 to 1:-
Parallel: b+N, N, m+n, m, m+b, b(*)
Series: bxn, nxbbypass, nxm, bxmxn(*), mxb, bxnbypass
Two phase switches, neck and bridge (middle is rwrp). I will use on off on's.
Ok, MxNbypass is good instead of nxbbypass in position 5.
Do you think bxnbypass or MxBbypass in position 1. The second is more 'logical'. But the first might be more useful?
D
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Post by JohnH on Sept 11, 2012 19:39:41 GMT -5
Hi John, Sorry for the confusion. I was using Dano numbering i.e.: 6 to 1:- Parallel: b+N, N, m+n, m, m+b, b(*) Series: bxn, nxbbypass, nxm, bxmxn(*), mxb, bxnbypass Two phase switches, neck and bridge (middle is rwrp). I will use on off on's. Ok, MxNbypass is good instead of nxbbypass in position 5. Do you think bxnbypass or MxBbypass in position 1. The second is more 'logical'. But the first might be more useful? D I suggest out of that: 6 to 1:- Parallel: B+N, N, M+N, M, M+B, B(*) Series: BxN, MxNbypass, NxM, BxMxN(*), MxB, BxNbypass (*) are the blower options logical and usable i think Putting BxNbypass at the same end of the switch as B is sensible because it sounds much like a slightly thicker version of B. In fact, there is some logic in all the arrangements bewteen the series an parallel/single options. The phase switches need to be standard two position, beacuse if we use on-off-on, the off setting will break the whole chain in series mode, killing all pickups. If that can be agreed, Ill start the diagram, starting with the schematic, which might happen over a few days due to other commitments. cheers John |
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Post by dannyhill on Sept 12, 2012 3:31:49 GMT -5
Sorry John,
Brain malfunction.
Dano labelling is:
1 to 6:-
Parallel: b+N, N, m+n, m, m+b, b(*)
Series: bxn, nxbbypass, nxm, bxmxn(*), mxb, bxnbypass
So you suggest:-
1 to 6:-
Parallel: B+N, N, M+N, M, M+B, B(*)
Series: BxN, MxNbypass, NxM, BxMxN(*), MxB, BxNbypass
"Putting BxNbypass at the same end of the switch as B is sensible because it sounds much like a slightly thicker version of B. In fact, there is some logic in all the arrangements bewteen the series an parallel/single options."
Wouldn't BxMbypass or MxBbypass be more logical in position 6? Or are they just as less useful as MXNbypass (or less useful still) than BxNbypass?
The phase switches need to be standard two position, beacuse if we use on-off-on, the off setting will break the whole chain in series mode, killing all pickups.
Sure, but I can use them as kill switches at either extreme (1 or 6), and is there any way to use them to make n+m+b? Better get some more on/on's just in case...
"If that can be agreed, Ill start the diagram, starting with the schematic, which might happen over a few days due to other commitments."
Sure, no hurries. I wont start it until the w/end after this at the earliest.
D
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Post by JohnH on Sept 12, 2012 15:37:20 GMT -5
Wouldn't BxMbypass or MxBbypass be more logical in position 6? Or are they just as less useful as MXNbypass (or less useful still) than BxNbypass? Of course you should have whatever you want. On pickups and wire ups that i have tried, the bypass sounds (being all of one pup and a small amount of the bypassed one in series) are most distinct when the bypassed pickup is the neck because it is the thickest sounding. I find that NxBbypass sounds the same as N - the bit of extra brightness from the B tends to get lost. This view comes from 4 different wiring designs that ive tried. So thats why Im suggesting MxNbypass and BxNbypass for those two types, to go with the basic 4 series sounds. But you may have different views based on what you know of your requirements and your guitar. So just just let me know your final choice for the diagram. This will be a complicated wire-up so it needs to have as much thought as possible. [ They would not be good as kill switches since they will leave a lot of wiring hanging and if any of them are in the mid position all series sounds are dead. I think you should get the on-on switches for phase. cheers John |
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Post by dannyhill on Sept 12, 2012 17:15:11 GMT -5
ok. But no chance of n+m+b? useleess too? lets swap the mnbypass and nxmxb around too. position 2 is odd as it has no analog with parallel wiring, nor a slighty thicker sound. nxmxb is thicker, so there is some logic there. D
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Post by JohnH on Sept 12, 2012 17:43:47 GMT -5
To get n+m+b would need another switch or drop something from the single-parallel side
Could you confirm the full list then just so we are clear.
Ps my power is out so I'm probably offline for rest of today. This smartphone is a pain!
J
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Post by dannyhill on Sept 13, 2012 4:43:47 GMT -5
Hi John,
Lets keep all the positions we have decided on so far, i.e.:
1 to 6:-
Parallel: B+N, N, M+N, M, M+B, B(*)
Series: BxN, BxMxN(*), NxM, MxNbypass, MxB, BxNbypass
On the extra switch issue: I can have 3 switches as well as the blower, selector and parallel/series switch.
They would therefore be 2 phase and the third could be tone cap switching, strangle switch or add in parallel one of the pups (for n+m+b, bxm+n etc).
I could trial the 3rd switch between the three different options. But knowing how responsive the lipsticks are, even though Im changing the pots from 100k linear vol and 1M audio tone to 250k audio and 500k audio, not sure if tone cap switching will add much and with that extra volume impedance they will be brighter still so the strangle will probably be overkill.
So lets go with the third switch to add a pup in parallel to get n+m+b. Keeping in mind all the 'cross options' of mixing series with a pup in parallel, which one do you recommend?
How about adding the middle so as to get n+m+b in position 1 parallel, and then addition of middle in parallel in positions 1 and 6 of series....if that's possible?
Thanks,
D
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Post by JohnH on Sept 13, 2012 15:39:01 GMT -5
OK - lets take that basic 6+6 set of options - they seem good.
On the extra M parallel switch, - a good intent but I'll have to think about how that might work. The trick will be in series mode:
either: to make sure that it is inactive in the middle four positions, where M already has a job to do as part of the series chain
or: in series mode, have it take M out of the series chain in the middle 4 positions, and repair the break in the chain so the other pickups can get through and M is in parallel.
John
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Post by JohnH on Sept 13, 2012 21:21:56 GMT -5
THinking further on the M-on parallel switch: The second method that I noted above is the go - the first I dont think will work.
But it will be good, and I think it will just need a dpdt switch. In parallel mode, M will be added to all settings that dont have it. In series mode, M will be taken out of the series combo and put in parallel eg (NxB) + M. (easter egg: I believe that will be a hum cancelling combo - at least to a large extent).
Parallel blower mode will still be B only. Series blower mode will change from BxNxM to BxN.
OK with that?
John
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Post by dannyhill on Sept 14, 2012 4:13:25 GMT -5
Hi John,
Thanks for thinking this through.
I do want to have nxmxb in blower for series mode though.
And am I right in understanding that in series with dpdt off for m in parallel I will get:
BxN, BxN(*), N, Nbypass, B, BxNbypass?
and with dpdt on:
BxN, BxN(*)+M, M+M, M+Nbypass, M+B, BxNbypass
If so, I think I would prefer not to go ahead with this idea.
Cheers,
D
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Post by JohnH on Sept 14, 2012 5:56:34 GMT -5
sorry , I wasnt clear,
Lets call this extra 'Middle on in parallel' switch the MoP\ swotch.
This issue with the blower mode in series only affects it when the Mpop switch is on:
Mop off - all as discussed before:
Parallel: B+N, N, M+N, M, M+B, B(*)
Series: BxN, BxMxN(*), NxM, MxNbypass, MxB, BxNbypass
Mop on - as follows:
Parallel: B+N+M, N+M, M+N, M, M+B, B+M(*blower mode can be B only)
Series: (BxN)+M, BxN(*), N+M, M+Nbypass, M+B, (BxNbypass)+M
where * indicates the blower modes
What do you reckon?
John
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Post by dannyhill on Sept 14, 2012 7:00:03 GMT -5
Go for it!
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Post by JohnH on Sept 16, 2012 4:49:05 GMT -5
Just to let you know I am on the case. It's turning out to need a do-over on the schematic to make it work, but I think it will work out. So watch this space!
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Post by dannyhill on Sept 16, 2012 8:32:25 GMT -5
I never doubted it! Good luck and take your time. I look forward to seeing it.
D
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Post by JohnH on Sept 17, 2012 23:29:02 GMT -5
OK, well here is 'beta' version of the schematic - ie, I think its Ok but it needs more checking. It is by far (in the top ten of) the most complicated switching designs I have ever drawn:  Anyone wanna help trace a few settings to see if its right? Karma will be awarded to those finding mistakes. As drawn, the rotary selector is in position 3, everything is in-phase, parallel, with the special 'Middle-on-in-parallel' switch 'off'. Circuit descriptionA few words may help to follow what is happening: Switch sections are colour coded to indicate which switch they are part of (in place of the usual dotted lines) Parts C and D of the main rotary switch Sw1 do the parallel selections. Operating the series /parallel switch Sw2, puts all pickups in a series chain, in the order ground-M-N-B-hot. It also splits Sw1 part C from part D so unwanted links between pups are cut in series mode, and forces the output to come from the B pickup (being the hot end of the series chain) . Sw1 parts A and B have the job, in series mode, of shunting part of the series chain, thusly leaving the intended series selections active and bypassing those not wanted. Two of the series options include N bypassed, which means a resistor partly shunts it to reduce its contribution. This is open to experiment as to value, or it could be a capacitor - my starting guesses would be 12k (or 0.047uF). The 'MoP' switch Sw6 forces M on in parallel, taking it out of the series chain when in series mode. Sw4 and Sw5 are phase switches for B and N. The blower, gives B in parallel mode and BxMxN in series mode, also bypassing the tone and volume controls. The next stage is a wiring diagram, and for that I would like to request that you have a think about where the knobs will be and post a sketch/diagram, looking from the back as you wire it up. That will enable the best choices to be made for the routing of wires connecting multiple lugs. I will start on a wiring diagram when we have agreed the control positions. cheers John |
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Post by dannyhill on Sept 18, 2012 3:21:35 GMT -5
Hi John,
This all looks fabulous. I don't know how you do it really!
Just a few things though. Did we not agree:
Series: BxN, BxMxN(*), NxM, MxNbypass, MxB, BxNbypass
Seems you have:
Series: BxN, NxM, BxMxN(*), MxNbypass, MxB, BxNbypass
Any reason for that?
BTW Not sure I like the bypassing of the volume and tone controls. I will have a treble bleed on the volume but the pups are very bright and so tone adjustment is always good.
Lastly, with regards to the series chain of: ground-M-N-B-hot
Just to let you know, the M is the weakest of the pups is RWRP and is of a different (more balanced) Alnico material. How does that fit? Ok?
Cheers,
Danny
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Post by JohnH on Sept 18, 2012 4:16:57 GMT -5
Yes, my error, but it's easy to adjust the order of settings so no problem.
Usually a blower switch is so you can jump to full volume for a solo with one switch, but you can have vol and tone still active in blower mode, or just tone? What do you prefer?
Cheers john
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Post by dannyhill on Sept 18, 2012 5:03:29 GMT -5
Hi John,
Thats ok then.
Not much of a soloist, just like the possibilities of a thicker and louder sound which it will be even without touching the volume pot.
Can we leave them connected to both pots then?
What about the series chain positioning? Any relevance wrt by middle pup?
D
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Post by JohnH on Sept 18, 2012 6:57:03 GMT -5
Hi John, Thats ok then. Not much of a soloist, just like the possibilities of a thicker and louder sound which it will be even without touching the volume pot. Can we leave them connected to both pots then? OK, but just to be clear that the blower wont be giving any options that arnt also available just from the rotary selector. Without the jump to max volume, I would suggest that the blower switch may not be worth having. It makes no difference to the sound where in a series chain each pickup is, they all add together. But doing it as I have worked out made some of the switching possible, particularly the Mop switch. cheers John |
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Post by dannyhill on Sept 18, 2012 8:13:29 GMT -5
Hi John,
As far as I know the blower does not bypass the tone and volume pots in the Danoelectros. It just a quick way to boost your output for solos etc. It would never be an option on the selectomatic as its too fiddly to change mid playing more than one click forwards or backwards.
Do you mind if we leave it attached to the tone and volume pots then please? I'm not a max volume/tone sort of guy :-) .
Cheers,
D
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Post by JohnH on Sept 18, 2012 8:36:45 GMT -5
Ok, no problem.
So will you be able to post a rough layout of the controls? It doesnt need to be to scale, just enough to put the controls in roughly the right relative positions
J
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