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Post by ChrisK on Sept 4, 2009 20:04:02 GMT -5
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Post by ChrisK on Sept 4, 2009 10:28:05 GMT -5
For the record, the Fender Treble Bbutt e Xpander pot (TBX) is really two functions built into one dual element pot. The first is a typical high frequency cut tone control from "5" to "0" on a Strat knob (the same effect over half of the rotational range). The second is a gradual reduction in parallel load resistance from "5" to "10" on a Strat knob. This effect is similar to a gradual rather than quick no-load tone pot effect (which occurs from "9" to "10" on a no-load pot). It only reduces the pickup's load impedance somewhat. It is a subtle expansion of the treble (harmonic) frequencies (up to the no-load point) rather than a bass- cut effect (which can only happen with a series capacitor or a parallel inductor. Now, a clever sort would realize that, by using a true blend pot (not the mixer pan pots sold by virtually all guitar parts mongers) with one section effecting the parallel treble-cut tone function and the other effecting the resistance bypassed series output capacitor function, a real treble-cut/bass-cut tone function could be realized. Note that these are only available in linear taper. www.darrenriley.com/fenderparts.htmNote that he calls them PAN pots (they are not). A PAN pot is comprised of a log and anti-log element (both are in linear piecewise approximation form) driven by the same shaft. These are BLEND pots (both linear sections are FULLY ON [aka ZERO Ohms] in the center detent setting. But, what do we expect from Fender and their whole 50 year long tremo'Leo/when it's a freakin' vibrato fiasco. "AC Circuit Theory 101."
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Post by ChrisK on Sept 2, 2009 21:08:29 GMT -5
No worries, I just feel more powerfuller or something.
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Post by ChrisK on Sept 2, 2009 21:06:02 GMT -5
How many is "some" LEDs? You will want to use high efficiency LEDs that are specified at 2 mA of current. Different colors may/will have different operating currents for similar levels of illumination. If possible, you will want to put each group of three in series (to share the same operating current). This can usually be done from a 9 VDC battery. LEDs require a series current limiting resistor. I would suggest that the LEDs be purchased from a competent company such as www.digikey.com that publish actual electrical specifications for their products.
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Post by ChrisK on Sept 2, 2009 17:16:06 GMT -5
Does "thin" mean too bright? What does "cool, hot" mean? Is that like a little big? Pickup Coil Response TuningTuning a pickup with a small value parallel cap will lower the frequency response band and make it sound warmer (or in your vernacular, maybe cooler).
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Post by ChrisK on Sept 2, 2009 12:47:01 GMT -5
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Post by ChrisK on Sept 2, 2009 12:45:21 GMT -5
wolf,
I think that the design should be posted in the schematics thread as a design. Having both the DiMarzio as well as the Duncan colored designs wouldn't hurt (for those befuddled by logic).
I do however, have the following suggestions.
When in parallel, the SPDT center-ON switch selects between either pickup or both (as on a normal LP).
When in series, the SPDT center-ON switch is overridden as series requires both pickups.
I would also add a DPDT switch for neck phase reversal between the neck DP3T ON-ON-ON switch and the inter-pickup series/parallel switch.
Furthermore, I would add notes to indicate that the DP3T ON-ON-ON switch wiring can be effected on a push pull pot for intra-pickup series/parallel. I might also add a wiring module showing series/single coil in lieu of the intra-pickup series/parallel.
With these additions, it also covers the optimized Page LP mods.
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Post by ChrisK on Sept 1, 2009 22:15:00 GMT -5
Well, I'm really glad that you didn't say that your pickups had outputs of 10K29 Ohms and 9K1 Ohms.
The DC resistance of a pickup is the output impedance (the internal impediment to the output signal) at DC when it is producing no output signal.
Rating a pickup's output by its DC resistance is akin to rating a person's intelligence by their shoe size.
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Post by ChrisK on Sept 1, 2009 22:09:17 GMT -5
It's the stuff that humans breathe; you know, the (a)ir supply.
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Post by ChrisK on Sept 1, 2009 22:05:39 GMT -5
I don't remember anymore but I think that it was Photoshop or Illustrator.
It was a professional presentation package. While producing pretty results, it generally is not of meaningful use in schematic iteration.
Send him a PM and ask.
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Post by ChrisK on Sept 1, 2009 21:55:18 GMT -5
I apologize, I wasn't aware of the limited circulation of the secret decoder ring. Sooo, Click on the "3 Single Coils and the "S-None Switch" link. Scroll down to the picture of discussion. Save that picture to your PC. Edit it with Paint. Save it as a .jpg Upload it to your free picture hosting site (such as www.photobucket.com ) Follow these instructions to embed the link thereto within your post. Image Posting
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Post by ChrisK on Sept 1, 2009 19:49:20 GMT -5
Who made them? What model are they?
I presume that you meant K Ohms. How can it read 9K1 to 13K Ohms? Does the reading wiggle around? What meter are you using? Is the battery any good? Are the leads intermittent?
10K29 Ohms is well within the normal manufacturing tolerance of a nominal 10K5 Ohm pickup model.
9K1 Ohms is well within the normal manufacturing tolerance of a nominal 9K5 Ohm pickup model (without the wiggling).
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Post by ChrisK on Sept 1, 2009 19:36:57 GMT -5
Click on the "3 Single Coils and the "S-None Switch" link. Scroll down to the picture of discussion. Save that picture to your PC. Edit it with Paint. Save it as a .jpg Attach it to your post reply as I have done using the attachment function at the top of the response page. You can even reuse my clean example picture as the basis for your drawing. Attachments:
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Post by ChrisK on Sept 1, 2009 12:18:39 GMT -5
Aha, so you're the guy that owns the stock in the Tele 4-way switch company!
The only issue that I have with this is the shorting of pickups (generators that derive their output from harvesting the vibrating energy of the strings). The more that you load a generator (driving its internal impedance through an external short as a load), the more energy is harvested. This directly reduces sustain and harmonic content.
No one has posted meaningful data as to the effect of this.
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Post by ChrisK on Sept 1, 2009 12:07:11 GMT -5
What does this mean?
Can you mark what you did on the drawing and post it. I have no interest in guessing.
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Post by ChrisK on Aug 29, 2009 14:07:29 GMT -5
Your diagram still is incomplete. Perhaps if you posted a logical description of what you think that it does that would be of help. I have an excellent understanding of electronic system design, likely from spending 30+ years as an electrical engineer designing embedded analog and microprocessor control systems and having a number of patents issued and pending. I understand and design fairly complex wiring schemes for guitars; The HSS All Mode 'Caster 20070808 The PRS RotoBuckerMy point is that while I've mentioned several flaws with your "plumbing", your solution is just to remove connections without understanding why or where they should go. I don't create new wiring designs by simply modifying existing ones that other's have done (usually), but by starting with specifications (what it's supposed to do) and implementing from there. This is fairly simple and straightforward. Once you can quantify what this design is supposed to do electrically (please leave out all the Tele twang, Strat quack, Brian May, and metal metaphors as they are meaningless from a logical switching perspective), I will be more than willing to help. However, I will not take the time to trace your plumbing into a schematic and then try to figure out what it actually does and what you might think/hope that it does. Wiring design is a logical process. It starts with specifications. When one embarks on a trip, it helps to have a destination in mind. hintThis module could form the basis for each pickup as well as both pickups in series and parallel as it is a DPDT switch and a true blend pot. Series_Parallel Blend Pot w/ DPDT switchThese modules offer alternative ways of doing blended series/parallel; Fun with switches, take 1 sections "D" and "F". /hintIf your intent is to arrive at a functional design, do let me know. I will require that you figure out things and understand how things work. I will not just do everything for you.
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Post by ChrisK on Aug 28, 2009 23:24:29 GMT -5
Ensure that the pieces chosen for the top are structurally sound or the maple will not add the usual bright effect of a maple cap.. Spalted wood is usually dead wood infected with fungi. Some versions of spalting result in decayed wood. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spalting
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Post by ChrisK on Aug 28, 2009 23:14:34 GMT -5
Yep!
You betcha!
The right pole on the DPDT is selecting between the middle (+) output (in the series mode) and the selected pickups from the lever switch (in the parallel mode). This selection goes to the volume pot hot (and it's the only thing that goes to the volume pot hot).
That's why I just don't tell you what wires to move. I'd much rather that you "see" in order to enable other's to also see.
While you're at it, jumper the back shells of all three pots together; this will give redundant shield connections.
There are those a'web that will call these connections "ground loops", (they are not) but these folks struggle mightily to discern the difference between a burro and a burrow.
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Post by ChrisK on Aug 28, 2009 20:27:16 GMT -5
If you want the same switches, then it's not simpler. This has no effect whatsoever. It is electrically the same. Where a wire are placed on a drawing means nothing. What matters is what it's connected to. You have presumed that the switch drawing that RH used matches the imported lever switch that you are using; it does not. You have presumed that he has left out four terminals on the imported lever switch. He did not, he is showing one section of a lever switch (there are two). The bottom right terminal on S2 comes from the pickup selection output (common pole) from the pickup selection section on the lever switch, you have it connected to the neck tone pot. Lever Switches Explained Off-Shore Lever Switches
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Post by ChrisK on Aug 28, 2009 15:26:00 GMT -5
The left half of the DPDT switch S2 matches the wiring in RH's design.
The right half is not even close. Check your drawing against his.
This design requires the manipulation of up to 3 switches to change modes; there are several simpler, more featured designs available.
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Post by ChrisK on Aug 27, 2009 17:54:57 GMT -5
Good, as tremolo (Amplitude Modulation) is not an effect realizable in an electric guitar. It is usually found in an amplifier, often erroneously called vibrato by Fender.
Vibrato (Frequency Modulation) however, is an effect often found in electric guitars, but never in non-DSP based amplifiers.
What's the difference between a Bigsby vibrato, a Floyd Rose vibrato, a Floyd Rose tremolo, and a Fender tremolo?
None other then the manufacturer's perennial lack of understanding, they're all vibratos. They all do the same thing......
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Post by ChrisK on Aug 27, 2009 9:26:31 GMT -5
The drawing shows the 0.0022 uF cap/220K resistor going from the volume pot out to guitar ground. This is not how the treble preservation circuit works. This will shunt the highest frequencies to ground.
It should go from the volume pot hot in to the volume pot out.
The neck pickup has the black signal wire connected to guitar ground. Therefore, phase reversal is not possible as wired.
The SPDT switch proposed for inter-pickup series/parallel does not do this. When the switch connects the neck red wire to guitar ground, it shorts out the neck south coil. In its other position, it connects the neck south coil in parallel with whatever is selected for the bridge. This is not inter-pickup series/parallel.
All three blend/pan pots have guitar ground connections thus preventing an inter-pickup series structure.
It's possible that there will be 7 pots in parallel (both sections of three blend/pan pots and the volume pot) as well as the tone circuit.
On even the brightest days this will be a very dark sounding guitar.
Following your wiring diagram is giving me an aneurysm. Wiring diagrams are situational instantiations which obfuscate the architectural detail. Please design from a schematic view. Once you "see" things from this perspective, the modular nature of the design will become obvious as well as the module interactions.
The wiring instantiation can be "poured" when the architecture is complete.
You're trying to build a house from the inside out without any view as to what the house really looks like overall.
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Post by ChrisK on Aug 27, 2009 8:59:13 GMT -5
Mode is series Seven sound is OFF Neck Position 5. _bridge____
Position 4. __bridge_+_middle_series_
Position 3. _middle____
Position 2. _middle_+_neck_series__
Position 1. _neck____ Bridge
Mode is series Seven sound is ON Neck Position 5. _bridge____
Position 4. _bridge_+_middle_series__
Position 3. _middle_+ _bridge__parallel_
Position 2. _middle_+_neck _series +_bridge_parallel_
Position 1. _neck_+_bridge_prallel_ Bridge
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Post by ChrisK on Aug 27, 2009 8:55:40 GMT -5
The pivot points are the beveled edge of the mounting screw holes and the shanks of the screws (those farthest from the neck until all equally wear in). If the pivot point was between the bridge plate and the guitar body, the bridge screw pivot points would slide up and down the mounting screw shanks. Here's a link as to why Fender factory vibrato (tremo'Leo) bridges are generally junk. www.callahamguitars.com/bridges.htmThese screws are screwed into the body. Torque is meaningless. The vibrato bridge plate must be free to tilt at least downward (detune only) or the vibrato will not be functional. If the vibrato plate is flush against the body, it will not be able to up tune (raise frequencies) and will cause the bridge plate to move up and down the screw shanks as it is operated. Since the underside of the mounting screw heads are flat (perpendicular to the shank), a "happy medium" point must be found such that the pivot points are somewhat further down the shanks than directly under the screw heads. This is why the mounting screws must be backed out enough to prevent the pivot points from siding up and down the shanks. Also note that Callaham indicates that the vintage 6 screw vibrato (he thinks that it's a tremo'Leo also) is only usable in the detune mode. I tend to agree, and generally only use them in a blocked vibrato mode ( a "fixed" bridge with the built-in reverb springs). Remember, a Strat is really an inside-out semi-acoustic guitar.
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Post by ChrisK on Aug 26, 2009 23:17:10 GMT -5
Since your fretboard measures about 10 mm from the body top surface to the middle of the fretboard, this is very close to spec. The tremo'Leo vibrato bridge does not pivot on the outer two screws, it pivots on the two screws farthest from the neck. It's a silly design (not an engineered design), superseded by the two screw vibrato bridges of many makes. The saddle height is the sum of the saddle height above the vibrato bridge and the height of the 6 mounting screws effecting bridge height above the body. If the outer two screws are screwed down tight, the vibrato does not function and it may have insufficient height. Occam's RazorCheck the simple things first; the light's usually better.
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Post by ChrisK on Aug 26, 2009 21:33:15 GMT -5
It's not the "output" to the output transformer, but the load presented to the output stage of the amp that is of most concern. In this case, twice the rated load would be presented to the output stage. Also, the output winding on the output transformer is a tapped winding and you would exceed the ratings of the wire gauge used as well as the power rating of the core.
You will overload/overheat the output transformer as well as overload the output stage.
From a theoretical basis, presenting half the load (twice the impedance) to each tap may present the proper load to the output stage and transformer, but I'd wait for sumgai to give his opinion as empirical data is.
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Post by ChrisK on Aug 26, 2009 21:15:20 GMT -5
If so, shimming (angle modification) of the neck heel is required first. Shimming (angle modification) of the neck heel is required first. Verify that your heel pocket and neck meet these exact specifications. "Here is some information on neck pockets and heels. Select "Will it Fit My Guitar"." www.warmoth.com/Guitar/Necks/Strat_TotalVintage.aspxIf the pocket and heel dimensions check out, and the saddle screws are at their extension limit, maybe the vibrato bridge is set too low to begin with (adjust those six mounting screws on the tremo'Leo). Also one can buy extended saddle screws I believe.
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Post by ChrisK on Aug 26, 2009 21:06:05 GMT -5
A presumption would be that the Hot Rails and the JB have identical wiring which may not be true since the SD diagram is for two mini-humbuckers (single coil sized) and a single coil. However, our Pickup Wire Colors and Polarity post indicates only one wiring scheme for SD 4-wire humbuckers. Based on this, I would presume that they are wired the same. The diagram indicates that the slug (north polarity) coil is selected in the bridge plus middle position. I don't see any indication of the standard polarity of SD single coil pickups on their web site, nor am I willing to spend time "fishing" for this information. A simple test is to briefly place the middle pickup's top pole pieces against the bridge slug coil pole pieces. If they attract, they are RP with respect to each other and phasing is a simple exercise of swapping the middle pickup wires with each other if needed. If they repel, then they are not RP with respect to each other and polarity and phasing are then somewhat more complex exercises. If you are willing to use the screw (south) coil on the bridge humbucker, disconnect the wire from the 5-way lever switch that goes to the back of the volume pot and connect it to the hot terminal on the volume pot. This will select the south coils on both the bridge and neck in conjunction with the middle. You may still need to do the exercise of swapping the middle pickup wires with each other if the combined sound is weak and thin.
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Post by ChrisK on Aug 26, 2009 13:39:50 GMT -5
That depends on what it's RWRP with respect to. A humbucker has coils wound both ways; each of its coils is RWRP relative to the other. The middle pickup will be RWRP with respect to one of each humbucker's coils; the trick is to determine which one.
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Post by ChrisK on Aug 26, 2009 13:30:47 GMT -5
I'm a big proponent of the Mike Richardson wiring with phase design. There are only two switches; a 4P5T lever super switch and a DPDT mode switch. The two DPDT phase switches do not have to be implemented as phase switches (or at all). In fact, you might use one for the bridge humbucker series/parallel and one for neck phase.
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